Instrumental Intel - Ep 13 The Art of the Flip: Creativity and Beyond with Page1ne (7-27-24)

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00:01

Thank you for tuning in to Instrumental Intel. I am your host, music producer, Achickwitbeatz. And I'm really excited about today's episode that I have lined up for you. Page1ne out of the NOLA from NOLA is coming to join me. And that's going to be a great time. We're going to talk about the art of the flip, creativity, and beyond. And of course, I've got music industry news for you and beats produced by me for your inspiration.

00:26

So before I go ahead and press that button to get started, I wanna thank my home station, Grander Radio out of Grand Rapids, Michigan. And with that, let's go!

10:34

Alright, I'm back with the music biz brief. First up, Spotify's boss dropped some news about cost-cutting success and he shared some information about Supremium with hidden features that he can't quite talk about yet coming soon. So their Q2 earnings show kinda some mixed results. While subscriber numbers and profitability improved, monthly active user growth slowed to 1.79%.

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and revenue rose 21% year over year. Advertising revenue recovered to approximately 494.7 million, but it remains below targets. The significant layoffs reduce costs, boosting operating income to roughly $288.6 million. Spotify is shifting its strategy, focusing on premium growth in developed markets and ad-supported growth in developing regions.

11:27

An ultra-premium tier priced around $17 to $18 is also in development as they announced back in 2021, but now they're working on adding some stuff to make it worth that price. So definitely keep you posted as far as that information goes. And they've also launched a new voice and language for AI DJ expanding beta to Latin America and Spain. So with them launching the Spanish language version of its AI DJ feature, it's voiced by a senior music editor there.

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and users can switch between the Spanish DJ and the English-speaking version released in 2023. The AI DJ provides radio-like commentary and personalized music recommendations to enhance the listening experience and reduce track skipping. It's available to premium users in select Latin American and Spanish markets and the feature follows the recent Spotify premium price increase aimed at funding further innovation.

12:21

Alright, next this is good news for DistroKid artists. You can now get your artist TikTok accounts in a flash. TikTok has teamed up with DistroKid to expedite the creation of artist accounts on the platform, specifically for DistroKid members, reducing the processing time from 30 days to just a few hours. So this collab builds on their existing partnership, enhancing tools and features for promoting music on TikTok.

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DistroKid members pay $22.99 annually for these benefits. FYI, ByteDance, which is TikTok's parent company, also operates a competing music distribution service called Sound On, launched in 2022. And Lander's new plan is to pay artists for AI training. Lander, an AI mastering and distribution company, has launched a fair trade AI program for its artists.

13:07

Artists distributing music for Lander can opt-in to earn money by allowing their content to train AI tools and only tracks with full publishing rights are eligible. Artists retain 100% ownership of their music and no data will be licensed to third parties. Revenue from AI plugins, apps, and services will be shared with 20% distributed among participating artists based on their contribution. Alright!

13:30

Next up, as definitely was expected, Live Nation is firing back at the government over their monopoly claims, so they launched a rebuttal against the US government's antitrust lawsuit seeking to force a sale of Ticketmaster. In a court letter, Live Nation's legal team presented technical defenses focusing on legal rather than bold statements. They argue that any exclusivity between its venues and promoters is protected by a federal antitrust law.

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and that the state-level allegations lack detail or are time-barred due to the statute of limitations. Live Nation contends that its refusal to rent venues to other promoters is legal and part of competitive practices. The U.S. Department of Justice and state attorneys general have yet to respond. Ticketmaster just made a big move in Africa, acquiring Quicklet as part of the team.

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So with Ticketmaster acquiring Quicket, a leading event and festival ticketing company, this partnership will enhance Ticketmaster's services for various event producers and venues. It's going to leverage Quicket's operations in Nigeria, Uganda, Kenya, Zambia, and Botswana.

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The managing director will continue to lead the company from Cape Town and the collaboration aims to connect African artists to a global audience and improve local event and experiences with Ticketmaster providing advanced ticketing technologies and the financial terms of the deal remain undisclosed. Also in the ticketing realm, Event Noir is on a roll and new cash means bigger plans for North America and Africa.

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to expand its platform, team, app, and cultural reach. This investment aligns with Pronghorn's goal to generate $2.4 billion in economic value for the Black community by 2032. Event Noir's ticketing business saw a 231% growth in 2023 and it collaborates with 10,000 venues and nearly 400,000 influencers.

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The partnership aims to drive innovation and inclusivity in the spirits industry, leveraging Event Noir's community and event partnerships to promote Pronghorn's brands. So the collaboration actually kicked off with screenings of Distilled, a docu-series in three cities. Alright, and more in the ticket world. A recent survey shows that record ticket prices fail to bring artists more money. A survey by pirate.com shows that only 17% of UK artists have seen increased gig fees despite soaring ticket prices.

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Among 1,700 artists, 54% reported no change and 29% saw a decrease in fees. Rising costs have left 72% of touring artists unprofitable. David's coalition calls it a cost of touring crisis and urges the government to support. Many artists face unsustainable financial pressures and are reconsidering touring, which would definitely impact the live music industry.

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potential arrest because he's been accused of manipulating SM Entertainment stock prices. So the founder stands accused of investing 240 billion won to inflate SM Entertainment's stock price in order to outbid K-pop giant HYBE. HYBE's complaint initiated the investigation, resulting in several arrests. Regulators have approved Kakao's takeover with conditions to prevent market abuse. If this is something that he actually did, I mean...

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that would be incredibly wild so definitely gotta see how that plays out and I'll keep you posted. Snoop Dogg, Death Row, and Gallim Music have been hit with lawsuits for copyright infringement. Musician and producer Trevor Lawrence Jr is suing over two backing tracks used on Snoop's 2022 album B.O.D.R. Lawrence says that he created the tracks in 2010 and presented them to Snoop in 2020, but no licensing agreement was finalized.

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Despite this, the tracks were included in the album and a related NFT offering by Gala Music. Lawrence alleges that he was not compensated and seeks damages including disgorgement of profits and an injunction to prevent further use of his work. But just something to keep in mind as artists when you're working together and these ideas are flowing back and forth, try to make sure that you got the business in taken care of before you actually release it out into the world.

17:45

Alright, an anime music piracy website shuts down after the industry takes it to court. The legal Japanese music download site called Hikari no Akari has gone offline after legal action by the music industry. The site has been active since 2014 and offered around 28,000 titles including anime music, movies, and video games. So legal action by the Recording Industry Association of Japan.

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against Cloudflare led to the site's closure. Hikari Noakari had 15 million visits just in the past year, mostly from outside Japan. The RIJ aims to hold the operator accountable and warns users about the legal risk of piracy. Digital piracy of Japanese music caused significant financial damage in 2022, so it makes sense that they're striking to get rid of it. And more music suits. 14 NBA teams are sued for copyright infringement.

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over the use of the music in social media posts without permission. So Cobalt Music Publishing and Artist Publishing Group filed lawsuits alleging that the teams failed to obtain licenses for the copyrighted music used in promotional videos on their social media and on NBA.com. They seek up to $150,000 per infringement, potentially amounting to millions in damages. The legal action is part of a broader trend in the music industry cracking down on unauthorized use of copyrighted material.

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And finally, Sound Exchange is suing AccuRadio for years of unpaid royalties. The lawsuit claims that AccuRadio stopped paying royalties in 2018 despite previously complying with the blanket statutory license until 2016. The Sound Exchange president stated that the lawsuit aims to protect music creators and ensure fair compensation.

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The suit seeks to recover the outstanding royalties. AccuRadio, which offers free customizable ad-supported service, has not commented on the lawsuit. Alright, and that does it for this week's music biz brief. I'm gonna take a quick pause for the cause, and then I'll be back with my special guest, Page1ne out of the NOLA. Keep it locked.

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24:51

Thank you so much for joining me for instrumental Intel. I'm your host, music producer, Achickwitbeatz, and I'm excited, thrilled and delighted to announce that I have with me in the virtual building today. Page1ne. I mean, he does so many things. He's got so much going on and it's almost even hard to introduce him just because I don't want to put him in a box with all the creativity that he got flowing. So if you could,

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You know, welcome to the show, first of all, and, you know, give us a little background. Who is Page1ne and how'd you get started into everything that you're doing? Hey, thank you so much for having me. I feel special. I feel herky-leezy. I feel like a poet. Yeah. My name is Page1ne. I'm New Orleans, Louisiana 504 to be exact. You heard me, baby. I'm an acrobat, poet, comedian, rapper. Do television shows, stand-up comedy.

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Background acting is where Acrobat and the Universe Soul Circus travel. We, America's Got Talent, December going to Dubai. Next year, we got a 20-city tour that we're doing with Manny Fresh that we're filming for Tubi and Amazon Prime. Host on a radio station, WKYJ Radio Live.

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about to do a couple of books, a couple of independent films, or the list goes on. I am a group by myself, put it that way. Yes, indeed. So, you know, I'm going to just go ahead and be transparent here. I'm going to let everybody know when I reached out to him to do this interview, I was thinking, man, he's so busy with everything going on. So, you know, thank you for taking time out of your schedule to do this. And, you know, you listed so many things. So.

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Now this might be kind of a hard question to ask you, but what would you say probably has most of your heart, whether it be music or just creativity in general, but with you being involved in so many things, sometimes if you have to prioritize things, you might put one over the other. And what would that particular talent be? Well, see, I never drink, never smoke.

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I'm an acrobat, I see flipping. So entertainment was my thing in the first place. See, I could, at a young age, I realized I could do so many things. I've been blessed to do that. So I said, you know what? There's no audience that does everything at the same time. I always like to be the first to do everything. You know, I don't want like that. Cause my motto has always been, you have your own lane and no traffic. So.

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You never seen a poet, if he a poet, you might see a poet do poetry, but you never seen a poet DJ, MC, cut the grass, sell food, open the door, do security, they say, I'm that type of person. So I was always active and hyper for Sis Burt. So I said, I like to be the first one to do everything. I want me to say, man, nobody did that like him. You know what I mean? So this entertainment, in fact, cause people ask me, how can you do all this in a day? I say, how could you not?

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Because people always tell you what you, be quick to say what you can't do. You can't, you can do anything. You got flowers, I said, just do it. Yeah. I love that philosophy. So yeah, if we could maybe talk a little bit about your music, you know, I got to check out some of your stuff.

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And you mentioned that you're a comedian and even your punchlines and everything, like the way you kind of flip your lyrics, like you still do it all even within music. But how did you get started with music? Well, from high school, from a bet. I got it from a bet. You know, when you're a kid, I bet you can't do that for a snicker. No, I said, poor you got a snicker. I got to do it now. No, you know, so basically...

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Remember, I'm telling my age remember those little UTF song, my rock saying, rock saying. Yes. I used to flip those songs and make my own thing. I used to do mix tapes, I didn't even know what a mix tape was. Like Baby I'm a star from Prince. Remember that song? Baby I'm a star. Remember that? Yeah. I did a song called I stole a car. Man I stole a car. Oh, my not riding now. Baby I stole a car29:14

If I see you, I ain't gonna stop. Make sure I hit the block, take it. I was just playing around. So like Jim Jones had a song called Ballin'. Yeah. You know from Dipset? I did a song in Chattahooch called Starvin'. Talking about food, I talked about nothing but food.

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Where do you come up with this inspiration? You know, like a lot of times we hear these songs and some people don't really think beyond what they hear, but how do you hear this and translate it, like, you know, come up with these ideas to flip it the way that you do? Because everybody in the mama can rap now or doing the song. So in every mix tape that she was always hearing hit the same three categories, dope.

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money and kill it. Everybody got ops and everybody, I'm real and I can't, I said my ops live for opportunity. So when I started doing this stuff, I said, I realized the most outlandish I got and more people talked about it. Because you know, if you got 10 people, like back in the days, you know, when you started doing hip hop or see there's a mixture now, they had hip hop, now it's split in two. There's hip hop and there's the music business.

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You know, cause like LL Cool J would have shot himself if he sounded like Dana Dane. You know, you had to be original. You know? So if you close your mind now, everybody using auto tone, majority of people use autotune, they rap about the same thing. You close your eyes now, you don't know who rap. Yeah. But you knew Chuck D did not sound like Slick Rick. You know what I mean? Right. I came from the hip hop era. We came from like planet rock and hip.

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You know the long, you see a lot of artists always complain about, well he can't rap, it's not real music. I say it's not about real music, it's about your flavor. Like if you have like a drink, just because you drank a Sprite, not drink Coke don't mean it's not a real drink. It's not real, so no, you just like what you like.

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Yeah, I love that analogy. Yeah. And some people, some people don't like the, like, if you, I always tell a lot of audiences, see, if you're a lyricist, don't go to a club where they want to dance. If you do dance music, don't go to where they want to hear lyrics. You have to find your audience. Right. That's where they get lost. You know, Chuck D is not going to come to freak-nick. You know, he don't freak-nick. You know what I mean? Right. And then Toolshorts should not be at Howard.

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where they snap with their fingers doing the poetry scene. Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why Wu-Tang Clan could not have put, you ever seen Wu-Tang Clan on BET Live or Spring Break? That's not their audience. Mm-hmm. Well, and recently with that festival, when my fit man was like, yeah, this was the wrong audience. You know, why were we even in this bill? We've been seeing a lot of that. It's like these promoters are almost desperate.

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to just get as many bodies in there as they can, but then the energy's just off. So you're right, it is about finding your audience and your actual crowd, your target market, if you will. And see, everybody with a business has not been this much. You see, most promoters now, when they're doing something, is that they're doing the concerts they want to see, not something not looking at the crowd. Why is Madonna on the same bill with Bootsy? That's no good. Right.

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You know? Yeah. Now if you have a jazz festival or something like that, you can do a splash and like that, but I think a Wu-Tang Clan, I don't expect them to hit, du-d

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You know, I've seen that a lot. Like, why you doing, you know? But hey, it's your money. Right, right. And then they get mad when it don't work. And then the audits still play because, like Busta Rhymes, he did Essence Fest down here with Cash Money. But then he had it as an opening. I'm like, Busta Rhymes is not an opening. Yeah. So why is it opening when people still paying tickets to come in now? Everybody's sitting there with their phone on.

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Busta Rhymes got mad, said, no, put them phones out. Everybody get up and party. He's not from this era of when you're going live. He want you to dance and interact with him. Right. So it was my first time seeing him kind of struggle. Because I've seen Busta Rhymes walk on water. Busta Rhymes be there always you scared to go after. Yeah, that man is ideal. He really is.

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So that's why I like to have my interviews. I don't tell anybody, you're gonna have a big problem going on stage after me because I came from street performing. So I know being a street performer on the street and making tips, I had to do something extraordinary to make you go in your pocket because you can always walk up and say, well, keep up the good work. Like what? I gotta make you say, you know what? Here, take this $100 bill, you're gonna make you go there. Yeah.

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So, okay, now that takes a lot of confidence in itself. How did you get to the point to where you could do that? I was always, I come from a, my, my family is a talented family. Almost everybody do something. My uncle had a reggae band. He was touring with Bob Marley and the rest of the people he was alive. And, um, my other cousins, the Neville brothers, Aaron Neville and all this. I come from a talented family. We was always on the stage anyway. That's my DNA.

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I was the one that the mama come wake up at two o'clock in the morning, you know, you dance, come on, dance with me at the party. I'm dancing in front of the company. I don't want to flippin' and dancin' and jugglin' and all this kind of stuff. You gotta pay me to stop performin'. They go S&M, no, no, shake this out. You think that's something? Yeah. Watch me slow this ramblin' hair, like no, no, no, no, go to sleep.

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He's ready to stay up and entertain. So the street performance was just the necessary step, like the natural evolution of it. You know, being in New Orleans, we had Bourbon Street. We had the French Quarter. So tourists come out here every day. So I was at the boys club just flipping, you know, because I could flip in slow motion. So we went out there, we flipping in the street. And next thing you know, people putting money out of our feet. And they were like, wait, it was funny. And for a minute, it became real. Oh, boy.

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You say, hold up now, okay, I'm on to something. So I'm like 12 years old, you know, you're 12 years old making a couple of hundred hours a day. Wow. Easy, like in an hour, you know. Put it this way, we all had a bill due Friday, I could go dance Thursday making and have a mincemeat and go pay it that morning. Man, that's incredible. Hey, you know New Orleans is a tourist city.
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So you know, we got Mardi Gras, we got Jazz Fest, we got this, we got that. And now going into 2025, I'm about to perform again, because you know what's down here in 2025, right? What, what is? I see, I say I'm about to go back out there and perform because I'm doing my 20 city tour, but I'm about to go in the streets and perform because you know what, you know what's happening in New Orleans 2025, right? Oh, nah, I didn't know that. We got the Super Bowl here.

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Oh man, that's gonna be incredible. My pockets gonna be here to mumps. I'm gonna be out there. Wow, that's incredible. So okay, you said like even when you're doing the street performing, you're out there flipping and everything, how'd you go from that to joining the Universal Circus? They saw their principal ex-souls on Apollo. We won, we had a W, they have a real station, FN9E.

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So we won the talent show here and the prize was to go to Apollo. So we got there. They booed us when we first came out. Oh, man. They would go home. We called the country boys. Go, we know we from the South. Wow. They don't realize I come to the street in Bourbon Street. I'm out there with drunks on this. So you booing didn't affect me at all. So we're on the street performing an hour and a half. But on TV, we got to.

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a minute and 35 seconds, we about to be ninjas. Wow. So we killed him, we got standing, we were on a month straight. And then the principal act from the universal circuit, there was the IAEA brothers from Cape Town, South Africa and there was the trapeze act and catch each other with their feet. And he saw us and told the owner about it and they hired us. We didn't want to do it at first. I kept saying, no, I turned them down like a month.

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Wow. Because you know, you think Black people, you think the circus, you think clown. I ain't no clown, you know. Right. We didn't know what it was. We had never heard of a Black circus before. I just think about this, you know, we got things that say hip hop circus, you know, where the thing, whoa, wait a minute. And then when we got there, we still didn't want to do it.

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Wow. So how'd you kind of get over that initial hump then? So once you got there, I'm like, okay, I'm doing this, but I don't really want to. No, when we got there, when we got there, it was like three o'clock in the morning. Now, first shoot was at 10.30. So the owner never saw us. He just took the word of the principal act. Oh, wow. We rolling the man down. You see, y'all ain't about to break dance, huh? I say, what? Roll it up. I see he gonna see, so we roll that up.

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So the next day, the night of that morning, we got to stay in Novation every show, killing it. Wow. So we like, man, we leaving after this. So we made, we got there a week. We got there 10 days and then we left. He said, oh yeah, man, we going to Philadelphia. We ain't going to Philadelphia. Get y'all, we ain't going. Then he gave us another $100. He said, we ain't up for 10 days. So we did that. We went to Philly. Then we got to Philly. He said, yeah, because it was traveling 10 months.

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No, we was killing it, but see, what really got him was this. The same year we went, we did the Apollo. So they're showing, you know, when you film it, they show it at a certain time, you know, they schedule the time. Mm, yeah. When we got to Philadelphia, they just played us on Apollo there. Wow. So we walking in the mall, people don't know about, you know, pre-recorded. They're like, oh, they're taking us to the theater. That's them.

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So we got the whole mall fine, the police escort, they could see who is this guy. Oh my goodness. So we killing it. So we did it from the day we left again. Man, we ain't doing this crap. He called me, he don't do it again. So we not doing it. So every time we left, we got a hundred dollar raise. Wow. So we kept leaving. So we went to like six cities. And he said, man, the totally is gonna be history. We don't care. You gotta realize we in the French court.

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When he was paying, we was making him the weekend. So we did, it wasn't about the money. You know? Yeah. So then we went to Vegas. We went to Vegas, we did a show at the Riviera called Splash the Water Show. We went up doing that for like three to five years. And then he called us back and he doubled our money. So we did it. So then we stayed with him for 10 years. We was a principal act. It was Craig Drews in LA. And Michael Jackson's mom came, he had just passed. You know what I'm saying?

40:58

Wesley Snipes came, oh, there are a lot of celebrities coming to Universal, right? Yeah, yeah. Anyway, Wesley Snipes had just did Blade. You know, he was doing, he was talking about to do a movie called Blade. We were like, okay, he saw me flipping, he loved it. He wanted us, but they messed it up. So I, but I did get to shoot, I was a vampire in Blade. Oh, wow. Well, I got to do Blade? You didn't even mention actor, oh my goodness. Oh yeah, yeah, that's me.

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So if you blade guys, you miss me. I was one of the first ones that got killed. We go look at Blaze, the first one, when he first come down, he got the rain scene, the water's under his feet. I'm the first vampire that got killed. You see my leg, but you don't see me. I bet that still felt good though, like watching him like, hey, that's my leg right there. Yeah, I'm saying, with all the stuff they filmed, you mean to say I filmed for three weeks, where two, 48 hours, you only used two seconds? Yeah.

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Yeah, because sometimes they cut entire scenes and you don't even know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that process can be brutal. Last week, we just wrapped up. I just finished a new Michael B. Jordan movie. Okay. It's coming out. It's like I'm playing the gangsta in the juke joint. So you'll see me in there as well. Man, I can't wait to check it out. Oh, you know, I'm going to sing it so you can tell everybody. That's awesome. Yes. So yeah, okay.

42:25

Now, if we kind of double back a little bit to your time at the Apollo. So I know you said they blew like so as y'all came out, whatever. But how did you feel actually getting there? Just knowing that you were on the stage that so many others had passed through, what was that initial emotion like for you? Well, when we did the Apollo, it was legendary because everybody was scared to do it. Not me, I'm fearless. I'm like, oh, they can see it. No, you know what I mean? I'm like that.

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So we got there, they booed us. I'm like, okay, watch this, you know, because they was hating, they was hating on us out. They do y'all, that's why I really like New York. I can really put out there, I ain't really had too many good experiences with New Yorkers, brigands and all that stuff. But for the most part, they was hating what you can, always says my mom, people love what you do, they hate the fact you can do it. Yeah. So, but we was killing it. One thing I did,

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that I put my stamp in that we won a much straight. We was killing it, killing it. The reason they say it too, they, even Steve Harvey said it, they said, well people, they had to get us off there because people were scared to compete against us. Wow. People said like, oh, they still here? Get out of line and stop auditioning. Man. Because they were filming six shows a day. Oh wow, I didn't realize it was that intense.

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Oh yeah, yeah, because you know they got the work loss, so they had to get the Apollo kids, they had to film them first and they film the celebrity guests then the show will compete. So people see them that time, that's how they got the crowd-roaring because people see them mad, so you better be good. Okay, so now I got this question for you. So thinking about all the stuff that you've accomplished, you know, all the different talents that you have.

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And even to get the accolades and, you know, response that you've gotten from people, how do you kind of harness all that and still stay so humble and down the earth? You don't see that very often. Because I realized and see so many people fall from it. Hmm. You know, if you look at it in a nutshell, you can learn a lot from a dummy. Hmm. The same people you see going up, you're going to see going down. So if I'm blessed with you, you'll hurt your blessings.

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Because God got a sense of humor. He'll take you, make you build, it'll take years for you to build it up and you can lose it all in one day. Hence, God you're with. You know what I'm saying? So I think I'm aware of my surroundings in the business I'm in. Like you go, if you hire a plumber, you want him to know his craft, right? Right. So if I'm in this business, I had to learn the business inside out. And it was all trying to narrow, see I was, I've been a boss so long.

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making my own money, doing my own thing, you get to see stuff. And the fame and glory, I've been famous a very long time. I've been famous since 12, so. Wow. It wasn't nothing. So now, I look at it like this. I used to always wonder like, okay, why they made this? Because I had opportunities to get in, like I said, my family's cash money records and no-limit records. But they respect me more because I made my own thing.

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Radio didn't want to play, the radio station didn't want to play my song, got our own radio station. Clicking the magazine, printing our own magazine, you know what I mean? Yeah. Couldn't open up a concert, drove my own concert. Wow, you know, you don't really... And that got speed. Yeah, good. I'm sorry, Dwayne. I'm saying like next year, I've done stand up and next year I'm opening my own comedy club. Wow. Yeah, okay, so you don't really see too many people taking initiative like that, so what kind of advice do you have?

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or somebody that might be listening and they think that they might want to try it, but maybe they're a little bit too nervous. But yeah, what advice do you have for them to kind of push through that hurdle and just go ahead and do it and create their own opportunities? You say the key word, they think. No, you can't think you gotta do it. You gotta leave them on three. Your best investment is yourself. And stop listening to other people because people will take you down because people are quick to say what you can't do nor you can't do it. Just because you didn't do it, I mean, I can't do it.

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Right. See, peer pressure is the only emotion that doesn't have a phlegm. The biggest notion to me is, people still living by wondering what people think. If you're not paying my bills, if you're not feeding me, if you're not funding me, why am I listening to you? You know? That's the word right there. My motto is this, all they can see is no. It take a million tries

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to make it one time. Yeah. That's it. It's not, it's quite, life is not difficult when you understand where it's at. When you just got messed up, when you see how messed up the world is, you survive any better. Everybody not gonna support you. Everybody not gonna buy your stuff. Everybody not gonna love you. It's like this, if you put, if you give your stuff to 10 people, right? Mm-hmm.

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Let's just say something small. Let's say the smallest comedy nominated. Just get something to 10 people. And four people like it, concentrate on them four. Don't worry about what number six didn't like it. That four will turn into five. And five will turn into six and so forth. You take over the world a corner at a time. We too busy, everybody will be Michael Jordan, but they don't want to go in the gym. Nobody want to work. We want to look like we got it. I got a...

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I got a million followers, but you can't get 10 people to come to your show. So you don't have followers. You got people that's going to the peanut gallery. All right. I would rather, I would rather 10 people that's loyal customers than a hundred fake people that's making me to fail. Yeah. He's a sad something right there. So the Dollar General, them Dollar General stores make me as a dollar.

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Yeah. Not just Walmart. That's why Walmart wanted to buy Mountain and said, no. Right. See, we don't look at that. We so busy looking at the present. You don't look at the work. Cash Money Records was out here 30 years before they popped. They didn't pop until they came out. See, I think it's this. People think if I put a record out, they'll say like music bastard, right? I put out a record Friday. It's Saturday. Why ain't platinum? What did you do? Did you work?

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Nobody appreciates the process, but when you appreciate the process, that's why here if somebody won the lottery, they broke it three years because they didn't work for it. Why you working around with $100,000 because I can? Why did you buy octopus? You didn't need it. It was only $100,000, okay.

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You become a slave to things. You start working for things instead of having. Like I always say, if I bought that kind of stuff, I'ma buy it because I wanted it, not because people think I should have it. Right, right, that make perfect sense. Like put it this way, see like God blessed me with two million dollars, right? This is what I would do. I would take my first million, I'd take a million and put it in the bank.

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and take the other thing and spin it down to the coupon. You know, like my sister, buy what I want, go where I want, but then I will get an account and write that I have myself a budget. I can only get $5,000 a month, that's it. That's gonna make me work, that's gonna make me do my show, because I'm gonna spend all my money in the bank though. Yeah.

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So you get out your system, you buy your cars, you buy your helicopters, you go around the world, do what you wanna do with that person, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But think about it, you still got only $5,000 to live off. I mean, pay your bills, I mean, I'll buy my house and all that, you understand what I'm saying? But that's my budget, that means me, so I still sat at the concert and do shows, so I gotta make this $5,000 worth. But guess what, I got the car I wanted, I got the house I wanted, and all of that. Yeah.

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It's all about planning and strategy. Yeah. Yeah, because you're all human. You're going to have those vices. Right, right. But you got to have a plan as well. Yeah. Nobody pull, ain't nothing more added in the, ain't nothing more makes a, the angriest person in the world would be somebody had a million dollars last year and they broke this year. Mm, yeah. Man, so yeah, so.

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You brought up a great point about strategy and planning. And as times kind of wind it down, looking at the clock. And I already know I got to have you back on the show. So this is just part one. But definitely before we get ready to wrap this up, I would like for you to talk a little bit about the station so that way people can know more about it and, you know, where to listen and all that good stuff and why you started it. I mean, you kind of mentioned it, but a little more detail.

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Gotcha, okay, all the rappers, poets, comedians, saying whatever you do, we want you. Follow us @wkyjradiolive, because I know you're posting, you'll have it all now. If you go in the link, you can download the app. It's NOLA. We have over 300,000 listeners, and there's an uncensored radio station where you can promote, and we are licensed so your media experience become. I wanted to do something that Clear Channel wasn't.

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the conglomerate that keeps you in the vice hold. So we have our underground stuff. People don't understand the most powerful thing here is the customer, underground people. When they had the pandemic, look everything closed because people couldn't go spend their stores that was there for years closing the week. Yeah. This thing right now, if everybody say, we don't like the presidency, Trump or Biden, guess what? We're not gonna go to work today until we get this straight. The world would stop.

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Yeah. I've pictured the world doing that for one week. No bus drivers, no nothing. Everybody just stay home. Right. See, the customer don't realize the power that we have. Yeah. The consumer is the power that keeps the world running. Because if you don't spend, nothing happens. What did you say on social media? Follow me. You don't say support. You don't say bye. What's the first word you say?

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Follow me. Absolutely. Well, that's why I was a consumer. So man, you go to, like you said, follow WKYJRADIO Live and we on everything. iPhones, iPads, computer, everything. And guess what? It's free 99. It doesn't cost anything. Yeah, and I see that's what's up. It's the next level, so you can play. That's what's up. So, okay, now you had mentioned that for the radio station. Where can everybody follow you and keep up with everything you got going?

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Same thing on my personal page, it's @pageone504. That's P-A-G-E-O-N-E 504. That's my personal page. But main numbers on that page, and I'm on WKYJ Radio Live. @WKYJRadioLive, all one word. And you'll see like, you'll be on our show this Friday. Yes, yes, I'm very excited. Be very afraid.

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What did we go with? I'm excited. I can't wait. Nice. Yeah. So all right, well, you kind of touched on it a little bit. But if you can, tell us a little bit more about your future plans, maybe for this year in particular. Well, if you've got any projects coming out or specifically people should be looking for. Well.

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Every, starting the last August, but we'll be the second and last Friday of every month, we're doing the erotic poetry of Soul, Wumpa, Mike. We're gonna have erotic poets. If you have any erotic poets that's listening, we're gonna be down here in New Orleans, the reason, in a private setting in the backyard with a pool. We're filming it for Tubi and Amazon Prime. We're gonna make it a docu-series. And so, this thing like Def Comedy Jam, but with poetry. Yeah. That's the premise. So we'll be doing everything. So, and we all looking for

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Feature poets for the eroticism and you do get paid, so we're doing that. But next year, we're doing a 20-city tour competition starting in Atlanta and ending in Las Vegas Christmas night and on the winning, we will get each to a song with Manny Fresh from Cash Money Records. So we're doing that. So we set that up and I'll be opening my comedy club as well in New Orleans in the French Quarter.

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We have like Corey Hocone, Melody Camacho, all kinds of comedies. We'll be over six days a week. We have Jazz Night, Army Night, Poetry Night Rep. It's gonna be a comic club. It's gonna be an all-purpose entertainment center. So movies, color movies, the magazine will be out every month. With the second volume, the first volume, we were blessed juvenile from Cash Money. He did the cover and now we have Soldier Slim.

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It's gonna be the next one. Erykah Badu is gonna do one as well. We're gonna be doing something with her. And just movies, everything man. We got merch. We sell Jordans, the Jordans from Michael Jordan. We got those, Air Force Ones, Dunks, merchandise, purses, teaching gymnastics for kids, power tumbling, schools, everything man. So anything in the entertainment we have.

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If you need merch stuff, we can do that. Need a video shop, we can do that. Need a movie, we can do that. Need stunts, we can do that. We need a place to promote, we can do that. We got venues for everything. So we're a one-stop shop of entertainment. We like Walmart and entertainment. Whatever you need, we can do. That is a beautiful thing. I just wanna say with everything that you're doing and still be giving back and teaching the classes for the kids and everything, just thank you for your effort.

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and just keeping the entertainment culture alive and everything that you're doing. So big ups to you for that. And- Thank you. That's that street performance, you know, I was a kid out there, you know, if I had these kinds of programs, a lot of kids with me getting in trouble. Mm, yeah. I don't mind as the devil's playgirl. Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, so, you know, again, thank you for your efforts. I can't wait to have you back. And are there any final thoughts that you kind of want to leave?

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the listeners with or any shoutouts you need to give, you can do that this time. Well, shout out to you, my queen. And I'm very proud of you because you don't see too many female producers that's getting played, but we gonna work. We mean you about to do a whole bunch of stuff till I'm kidnapping you, you gonna be part of the family. So, but in a good way. You gotta make sure I'm saying it right. You're gonna be kidnapped for real, the fear is my kid. Right, right. We're talking about doing good stuff. So we're doing that and...

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And tell all the others, man, you know, remember this one phrase, it takes a million tries to make it one time. Follow your first mind, man. God gives us all that free will, man. Your first mind is your third eye telling you what to do. Don't listen to people. People gonna tell you what you can't do. If people hating on you, you know you're on the right track. Remember, crooks don't break in no empty houses. Keep doing your thing. Don't stop.

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The more they talk about it, I kill heated by success. I love when people see what I can't do. I can't do this, watch this. You say I can't do some, I'm gonna do something trippy and tell you like, wow. Cause guess what? See the main people hating on you? They're gonna be bragging when they see they know you ain't won a job. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so yeah, thank you again for your time. You dropped so many gems and yeah, I appreciate your time and sharing your wisdom and your thoughts and your experiences.

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And I'm already looking forward to next time. Oh, yeah. So when I come back tomorrow, I'm ready to come all the time. All right, you know what? Yeah, we might have to make you a regular. How about that? Don't tempt me with a good time. I'm there. I love it. All right. Well, till next time. I'll be in a building like Timbers and Chairs. I'll be there. I love it. All right, thank you again. Appreciate you.

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Shout out, thank you, sis! All right, and that does it for this episode of Instrumental Intel. I've been your host, music producer Achickwitbeatz, and I wanna thank you for tuning in. I wanna thank my special guest, Page1ne. And just in case you're not aware, I just recently did an interview on his station, WKYJ Radio. That Instagram video's still up there, so make sure that you go check that out. And I also wanna thank my home station, Grand Radio, out of Grand Rapids, Michigan.

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And so make sure you come back next week. I got another episode full of goodness lined up for you. So till next time, you know where to find me. Tune in, tell a friend. I'll see you then, peace.