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Hey, thank you so much for tuning in to Instrumental Intel. I am your host, music producer, Achickwitbeatz, and I'm so glad that you've joined me today. I got an episode that's got tons of music industry news, beats produced by me for your inspiration, and later my special guest, Megan, will be joining me when we talk a little bit about everything, including navigating indie artist life, balance of music, creativity,

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content and more. So you're gonna wanna stick around for that. I'm really excited to be bringing this episode to you. And before I drop that first beat, I've gotta give a shout out to my home station, Grander Radio out of Grand Rapids, Michigan. And with that, let's go.

[Beat Break]

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Alright, I'm back with the music biz brief. First up, Live Nation reported a 6% year-over-year revenue drop in the third quarter, totaling $7.65 billion, with ticketing and concert revenues down 17% and 6% respectively. Despite this, the company saw record concert profitability and strong ticket sales with over 144 million tickets sold for 2024, marking a 3% increase from the previous year. Venue upgrades and higher on-site spending are a boosting fan engagement.

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Looking ahead to 2025, Live Nation anticipates continued growth with significant expansion in stadium and arena shows and ongoing international venue development. The company remains optimistic even as it faces a US Department of Justice antitrust lawsuit involving Ticketmaster. Also vivid seats face some challenges this quarter like a 13% drop in gross order value and a 43% dip in net income. But

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They also had some positive developments as well, like a slight increase in adjusted earnings and the full launch of its Skybox drive pricing tool. The company anticipates concert growth will pick up in 2025 just like Ticketmaster does. We'll have to wait and see. Next up, the global recorded music market offers growth opportunities that differ sharply from the US, where major labels dominate.

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According to media research, independent labels and artists hold a significant 46.7% global market share compared to 35.7% in the U.S., highlighting stronger competition and indie growth abroad.

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Emerging markets like China, India, and Brazil are expanding rapidly, with Mexico's music industry growing 18% in 2023 alone. Major labels are actively investing in high-growth regions with Universal, Warner, and Sony, making strategic acquisitions in countries such as Nigeria, India, and Brazil. Streaming and social media have enabled more diverse, regionalized music markets worldwide.

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Speaking of international music, Tencent Music Entertainment posted a strong third quarter this year, with paid music subscribers up 15.5% year-over-year to 119 million, and revenue for music subscriptions rising 20.3% to 547 million. TME's premium super VIP tier has drawn over 10 million users, boosting monthly revenue per subscriber by nearly 5%.

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Key features like enhanced audio quality, exclusive digital albums, and fan engagement events, including early concert ticket access, have helped drive loyalty and subscription growth. As TME's super VIP tier grows, global music platforms including Spotify are expected to explore similar premium offerings for dedicated fans. In other international news, Italy's concert industry generated nearly 1 billion euros in 2023, part of the 4.3 billion economic impact from the music sector.

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Concert attendance soared, reaching 23.7 million, an 88% increase since 2019. Industry leaders have highlighted outdated laws that limit support for live music companies, and they're calling for government action to modernize policies and funding access, especially as Italy's music sector continues its rapid growth. Next up, Sony Music's parent company reported a 10% revenue increase year over year, reaching 448 billion yen, which is about $2.93 billion.

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Key highlights include a 14% rise in recorded music revenues, largely driven by 9% streaming growth. Physical music sales also spiked up 22%. On the publishing side, revenue grew 11%, with streaming revenue up 9%. Artists like SZA and Travis Scott were credited with contributing to Sony's strong performance last quarter.

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Also, Spotify's active user base has surpassed 640 million monthly users, with 252 million paying for premium, marking an 11% year-over-year increase. The company reported strong third-quarter results, with revenue up 21% year-over-year on a consistent currency basis, despite challenges from unfavorable currency shifts. Next up in news, TikTok now allows Spotify and Apple Music users to share songs directly

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posting them to the For You page or via direct message. This integration strengthens the connection between music discovery on the platform and streaming services. Side note though.

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Due to national security concerns, the Canadian government mandated TikTok shut down in the country by the end of 2024. The fear is that TikTok could be forced to share sensitive user data with Chinese authorities under China's national intelligence law. But Canadians will still be able to access the app, but TikTok does plan to challenge the ordering court, arguing that it will lead to job losses and harm local businesses. So definitely something to be aware of. We'll see what happens with that.

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But also in other TikTok news, their Sound On distribution service is making waves by helping independent artists land viral hits and chart success. Following the end of its licensing deal with indie network Merlin, TikTok is focusing on Sound On to directly promote emerging artists, challenging traditional labels, and possibly even investing in artist catalogs. This shift could offer new opportunities for independent artists seeking broader exposure. All right, next up in news for...

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tools that independent artists can use, Chart Metric is launching a predictive talent search tool aimed at helping companies in the recorded and live music industries identify emerging artists with long-term success potential. Built over 18 months, the tool analyzes data from over 10 million artists using a variety of signals to predict future success. Unlike past tools that focused on predicting hit songs, this one identifies rising talent earlier

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by combining multiple data points from various services. The tool will be available through ChartMetrics' premium subscription service. So of course, you know, there's a lot of good or a lot of bad that can come from that, but that's another one of those things we're just gonna have to wait and watch how it unfolds.

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Also, audiovisual collaboration platform PiBox has raised $1.2 million in new funding from major investors. The LA-based startup is known for its powerful collaboration tools, now used by clients like Sony Music Publishing and Epidemic Sound, allowing seamless project oversight, messaging, and metadata management, which is crucial for ensuring accurate payouts in the music business.

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Piebox plans to expand in the US market and enhance its AI features, helping creative teams improve efficiency and focus on producing top-quality sound and video. And finally, Hangout, a new social music platform by Turntable Labs, has launched with access to over 100 million tracks from Sony, Universal, Warner, and Merlin. Available on iOS, Android, and online, Hangout lets users create virtual listening rooms called Hangouts where friends can take turns playing music.

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CEO Joseph Perla, known for his work on Turntable FM, aims to blend social media and music in a positive, community-focused environment. With ad-free subscriptions and virtual goods as its revenue model, Hangout aims to engage fans, support artists, and build music-centric communities. All right, that's it for this music biz brief. I'm gonna take a quick pause for the cause, and then I'll be back with my special guest, Megan. Keep it locked.

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Thank you so much for tuning in to Instrumental Intel. I am your host, music producer, Achickwitbeatz. And I'm excited, thrilled and delighted to announce that I have Megan in the virtual building with me, a very talented artist, and we've been connected on Instagram for quite a while now. I don't even remember how long, but I'm excited to be able to speak with you and kind of dive a little bit deeper into who you are. So if you could just kind of give everybody a little bit of background as to who Megan is and how you got into music.

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Absolutely, thank you so much for having me. So to start at the beginning, I grew up in a very musical family. My parents are extremely talented musicians, so it's literally in my DNA to be a musician. And so just, you know, all throughout grade school, I was involved in music, I was involved in theater. And in college, I've studied acting and music, I sang for a lot of different

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Um, and then I started producing my own music in 2019. So, and the rest is history. All right. Well, awesome. You said that, you know, it's in your DNA. Yeah. As music, what types of songs do you remember kind of gravitating towards when you were young or any special artists? Oh, I mean, you know, my parents, of course they, they had so many different

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I mean, they did a lot of 80s pop music, but for me, like I grew up in the 90s. So I'd say like, Christina Aguilera was a huge inspiration for me. Um, you know, like the different pop singers, uh, I actually really loved Enya too. I don't know if you remember the Pure Moods CD. Um, but yeah, so I, there are so many different types of music that I'm drawn to. And I've.

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I think as an artist, I don't really want to be confined in that way. I just want to have my own sound. And, and, um, I think that speaks through all the music that I like. Absolutely. Um, especially since you mentioned some of those heavy-hitting pop stars, yeah, you know, like you kind of, you kind of get into like your own inspiration. So yeah, even though you grew up listening to them, but

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like to define your own sound? How do you kind of get in that mode before you start to create? Oh, let's see. I mean, well, again, I feel like I've just been drawn to so many different genres of music over the years. I mean, I listened to a lot of the, like the punk bands in high school. I listened to Radiohead in college. I mean, I love Bollywood music. So it was just like all across the board for me.

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Yeah, what was like, what were you, what was the question? Cause I'm trying to, oh yeah. So basically like when you get ready to sit down and create, how do you kind of get into that mode? I think it's, it might be different every time, honestly, but I do love going for like long walks, like meditative walks and that's, I do find a lot of inspiration in, in nature too, just like walking and looking up at the sky and just.

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You know, random things like that, but it's just, I don't know, creativity is all around and any, through any form of art too, just like watching a movie or, um, you know, even just getting together with other people. And I really love to collaborate too, but, um, I have been more of a solo artist in recent years. Um, but I do love collaboration too. Nice.

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Well, it's kind of interesting how you mentioned that you can get inspiration from even watching TV and movies. Yeah, absolutely. I really have that type of conversation with other artists, but, you know, I'm kind of the same way, I feel like there's a lot to be learned from it. And sometimes, you know, you can get inspiration from like the strangest things, I can pick up like a line from a.

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sitcom that I watch all the time. And then all of a sudden, the next time I produced, that's what the beat’s named. Oh my gosh. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, you've brought up that you do music production as well. Yeah. How do you think that that kind of helps your process as far as maybe songwriting goes? Do you do one before the other or vice versa? Or is it kind of a, so yeah, it is kind of a blend, but I usually start out with like a melody in my head

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I have an MPC live, it's like a sampler and I use that to start making my beat and then I transfer everything over to my DAW Logic Pro and I'm just kind of going from there. So yeah, it's typically though like a melody and a beat to start with. Okay. So.

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All right. You also mentioned right before that, that you do appreciate collaborations. What are some of the memorable ones that stuck out to you? And I'm not saying favorites, so, you know, just in case anyone's listening. Yeah, I mean, you know, something that just kind of stuck with you or, you know, maybe just came so easily, it didn't even feel like work. Well, you know, and this isn't even some like this isn't even a collaboration with the music per se, but I just released a music video. And it was it was like a.

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community effort because my friend filmed it for me and we filmed in different, like we filmed at a coffee shop in the area and then we just got like a bunch of our friends to be involved. And coming from an acting background too, it kind of brought back those days of just like that collaboration. And it doesn't even feel like work at that point.

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really nice. So can you tell us a little bit about the video and you know the song behind it? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so it's my latest song. It's called You Can Find Me. And so the video concept is very much to do with current dating culture, you know, being on the apps and kind of struggling with that. So there's there are elements of comedy, there are just elements of

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I feel like it's very relatable for people nowadays to kind of see, you know, this experience that you have with the apps where you're kind of like idealizing someone and then, you know, the reality of it just doesn't turn out to be what you thought. So I think that's like a universal thing right now. But yeah, that's the concept. And the song is very much like pop. I mean, it's it's under the umbrella of pop. It could be like indie art.

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pop as well. But yeah, so I, and I'm, I had a really fun time with it. One of my personal favorite things about, I guess, since pop music is of course short for pop, but I love pop music that can take a common thread, just as you mentioned, that a lot of people are familiar with, but still kind of present it in a unique way.

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And I feel like that's kind of what sets it apart from, you know, how most people kind of group it under the umbrella if you will. But yeah, you have a very unique way of, I guess, being relatable, but still making it different, still giving it texture and feelings that people can kind of connect with. So yeah, I think that's really incredible. Hats off to you. You had another really big song before this particular one. Do you want to talk about that one too?

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I did, it was called Bloom and it was a very, like, you know, it was about transformation and just kind of growth in your independence after a breakup. It was released under a different name so it's like I'm going to have to re-release it under... I used to be Alpha Violet and I went back to my actual name Megan.

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And I do feel like more authentic in this. So that, that was a whole journey of the Alphaviolet thing, but yeah, Bloom will be coming out again here soon. That's really awesome. And yeah, kudos even to be able to change your name. It's really hard to get people to stop calling you one thing and go by another. Cause even I had a different production name when I first started out.

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And so, yeah, it's not an easy task and you've done it very well. So congratulations. Awesome. Thank you. I appreciate it. So, yeah, with, you know, you mentioned kind of growing up in the 90s. Yeah. I admit there's been a lot of change from then till now in the music industry. What are some of the... Oh my gosh. Yeah, totally. What do you think some of the biggest changes that you've kind of noticed? Well, yeah, just

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I mean, I was just thinking about this earlier how I would have not really had the chance to produce my own music independently and release it. It was all about labels at the time. And now we're just seeing where you can have this global reach just because of the internet. It does create that saturation of the market, but I really do think it's...

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It is very advantageous though for people that probably may not get as big of a chance to be able to release music. Absolutely. Especially speaking to the saturation thing. Yeah. I don't know if you kind of notice that a lot of times while that's happening, everybody's kind of putting this stuff out. But if they don't necessarily get the traction that they want right away, they kind of drop off.

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I kind of feel like even that's just a waiting game, you know, for some of those people. Like, okay, if they're not really in it for the art of it, then they're going to get discouraged and kind of go away anyway. So yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I, oh, go ahead. Oh, no, sorry. Oh, no, I was just going to say, I mean, I'm, yeah, I feel like sometimes it's really easy to, to get caught up in the numbers. Like, oh no, I didn't get this many views or this many streams,

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I mean, at the end of the day, no matter how many streams you get, I feel like you're just going to keep wanting more and more. So you have to really love what you do. And if you don't, then yeah, I think it is time to question like, okay, what am I actually doing this for? Right. And even how you mentioned, you know, being able to have access to a global audience. Yeah. I was just reading a study that came out recently that independent artists.

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in other countries outside of the US actually have the majority of the global market share. But it's different in the US. I mean, you know, kind of creeping up, but yeah, like it's just such a huge difference. And of course, now we're seeing like all these major labels kind of buying up some of the smaller labels so that they can regain that market share. But yeah, it's just something about that freedom of creativity. And you know,

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I like that it's thriving elsewhere because I'm hoping that some of that trickles goes over to the US as well. Absolutely, and I'm very interested in, I don't know if you've seen on my page before, but I do like singing in different languages sometimes. So I feel like that's also a potential to reach more people. And it's, yeah, it's really, it's enjoyable for me. So I like to have a variety of things on my page.

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Yeah, absolutely. A matter of fact, even the majority of the audience that listens to this particular podcast on Spotify, uh, most of it's Brazil. So, yeah, you never know who you're going to reach. So yeah, it's awesome. Just, you know, keep doing your thing and then pay attention to who appreciates it instead of the other way, you know? Definitely. Yeah. So, you know, for as long as you've been at this, what would you say has been one of the most rewarding?

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moments in your career.

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That's a good question. I'm trying to, I mean, that is a really good question. I have had people come to me before, you know, sometimes you get caught up, like we were saying in the metrics where it's like, oh, you know, people, I don't have this many listeners on Spotify and like sometimes I'll get in my head about it, like, oh, I don't really have many fans and.

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And I've had people come up to me and just tell me how much an effect my music has had on them. They listen to it all the time. And I'm like, wow, where did this come from? Like, you just never know who you're impacting. And that's I mean, that's why I continue to do this. One of the big reasons because music has always done that for me. And so that is something that's really rewarding when someone comes up to you and they're like, I'm such a big fan. I'm like, oh, OK, that's that's great. You know?

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Yeah, that's a really beautiful thing. Yeah, just like you said, you never know. Yeah. Even with the metrics, kind of as a gauge to think that you can be upset that, okay, well, maybe only, you know, this only got 20 likes. Yeah. That's 20 people that enjoyed. I know, right? So yeah, I think that sometimes we all kind of need that moment to recalibrate. We do.

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and just kind of look, you know, we've been kind of, I guess, I don't want to say brainwashed, but maybe trained to constantly just seek all those numbers getting bigger and doing whatever we can to make that happen. But, you know, like you said, those moments where you have that connection and someone says, hey, I appreciate what you do, you know, that's kind of one of those that jolts you back into reality. Like, wait, no, there's a purpose for this. Yeah, absolutely. It really brings you into that purpose even more so.

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Yeah, so, I mean, you do really well promoting your music. What are some of the tips without giving away your secret sauce or anything? But yeah, any advice you have for artists kind of looking to be able to expand their audience a little bit more and kind of connect with the people that watch what they're doing? You know, I think now more than ever, people are drawn to authenticity.

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And that's something that I've always tried to do with who I am. Just be authentic. I mean, it's kind of easy to get mixed up. You do have to have a balance where, you know, getting involved in certain trends can be good too, like different sounds to use this and that. But I think just staying authentic and being consistent is really just the number one thing when it comes to marketing music, I would say.

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That's great advice. All right, so now kind of flipping back over to the production part. You said you got started in 2019, right? Yeah, it was so 2018. I had moved back home after leaving a relationship and I was just kind of ready to because I had created music with my previous partner and I was ready to just kind of step into my own identity again, so to speak.

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So my roommates at the time, they had like a lot of musical equipment and like, you know, my roommate had the MPC live and he was like, hey, have at it, just mess around. And so I did. And I just had so much fun with that. And so then in 2019, I got my own. I got, you know, a laptop, I got Logic, and I just, I just started creating, you know.

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So what would you say your favorite part about production is? You know, I think just the moments close to the end of like finishing a song where everything is just finally really coming together, that's that's like my favorite part. I know, you know, you really have to appreciate the journey, too, of like from start to finish, but.

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I love when everything is just coming together and you're like, Oh, finally, it's just clicking, you know? Yeah. You know, I never really thought about it until you just said that about, you know, loving the journey. Yeah. You know, from start to finish, how oftentimes that's not necessarily the case for me. I think I'm kind of with you. Like it's better. Like once you see how everything, you know, when you first start now, you might not know. Yeah.

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So yeah, maybe I'll try to be more mindful of that, but no, I'm wholeheartedly agreeing with you there. Before you have all these sounds like, what is this? Oh, now I see. Exactly. Yeah. I really love, um, at least personally, like the kind of freedom that it gives you and the fact that you're literally creating something from nothing. And then you take it a step beyond and then actually make it a complete song. So, um, you know,

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A lot of people know that there is a difference between beatmakers and producers, but it's great when you can be both. Yeah. So yeah, what do you think maybe some of your favorite things about being able to do both actually are? Well, you know, I'm sure you have experience with this, but just having that creative control and it's not that I, like I said before, I love collaborating with people, but

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It's not always easy to work with other people and their different visions of how they want something to go. And, you know, you have just different ways of communication. All kinds of things can go wrong, honestly. So I just love having that creative control where I'm like, hey, I know how to do this so I can just do it myself. And I feel like we're in an age now where people are kind of becoming these.

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super creators, so to speak, where they're like learning all that they can to kind of have that independence. But I do think I do still think it is good to collaborate, but it's also good to be knowledgeable, you know, about multiple things. So absolutely. I think that that actually enhances collaboration when you do. Yeah, that's actually very true. Yeah. But yeah, I know what you mean. I've had beautiful collaborations and then I've had some

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Not so beautiful ones, right? Right. So yeah, it's best when everyone kind of, you know, knows a little bit about everything and gets pretty good with where they're at, I guess, in their bag, if you will. Yeah, I think so. So, okay, you mentioned some of your favorites. You've got the MPC live, you use logic. You know, they always say it's the ear, not the gear.

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the gear is great when you have it and you just vibe with it. Are there any other, you know, software or hardware that you've used that, um, you also appreciate my dabbling from time to time? Yeah. I mean, I, I, some of Izotopes plugins like, um, you know, I use, uh, nectar pro it's a vocal plugin on all of my songs. I've used that, um, and vocal synth.

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Um, from Izotope. So yeah, I do, I do really like isotope products. Um, just trying to think what else here. I mean, I, I, a lot of the plugins I use though, are actually just stock logic plugins, so it's, I don't really, I'm not like a, someone who knows a lot about it. Um, I still have a long way to go when it comes to producing, but you know, I just sound like you're there to me. I just, I

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I'm a very resourceful person I've come to discover in recent years with how resourceful I can be. It's pretty impressive, I think. Yeah, I mean, honestly, a lot of the stock plugins are great. I mean, as long as you know how to use them, you don't really need a lot of the extra stuff. Although I will say personally, one plugin that I have to have is Melodyne because I am not a singer.

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I've heard that and then serum is that like what a lot of people do I think. That's another plugin that's really popular. But other than that, I'm like, hey, go for what you know. But yeah, I know what the right notes are. It's just a totally different thing to get my brain and mouth to work together. Yeah. To create. So yeah, definitely have admiration for you as someone who can do all of that. Like that's just fantastic.

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Oh, thank you. So yeah, coming up, well, you know, this is pretty much a wrap for 2024, but, yeah, you know, do you have any big plans for 2025 or any new releases or collaborations we should probably be looking out for? Um, so not just yet. I, I, I'm going to spend a lot of, um, you know, 2025 or not 20, just the winter time.

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writing, planning. I really want to do a mini tour next year because I grew up in like a smaller area. I do live in central Pennsylvania, but what's cool about this area is like there are cities all around me. DC is like three hours. There's Pittsburgh, there's Philly, there's New York. So I definitely want to have some kind of mini tour, play more shows. I do have some videos coming out soon on my YouTube channel though about

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like music production, which should be fun. Yeah, and just, I'm gonna continue writing music and just kind of go with the flow and see where everything goes, so. Well, that's great. Yeah, so like I said, on top of being a great artist, producer, you do very well with your content creation. I mean, basically all three of those are separate full-time jobs. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you're doing it very well though. Thank you.

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You know, we still have some time left, but I do want to make sure that people know exactly where they can find you, find your music and follow you and keep up with everything that you've got going on, especially as you gear up to start touring. Yeah, absolutely. So you can find me as the name of my last song. So I'm always like throwing that in there. So on Instagram, I'm under Megan Music World. My website is meganmusicworld.com.

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You can find me on YouTube, just type in, you know, Megan, Megan Music World. Uh, Facebook is the same Megan Music World. So yeah, it's, um, pretty much in all the streaming platforms I go by Megan. Okay. All right. So now that everybody has that information before they get ready to hit you up for collaborations, what are some of the things that you look for before you decide to collaborate with people?

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Oh, that's a great question. Or that you don't want, I should say, whichever one's easiest for you. Well, I mean, definitely, like just have a solid, as far as collaboration, you know, you can send me beats that you have and I'll let you know if it's something that I'm wanting to work with. You know, I just like professional people. I like, you know,

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consistent communication with someone, that kind of thing. I mean, just be professional. That is fair. No outlandish ass there at all. So yes, we get ready to wind down. I'd like to know if you have any, I guess, like lasting advice for the listeners since most of the people listening are independent artists or creatives in some form or fashion. Oh yeah, what's kind of like a...

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Jim you'd like to drop with them real quick to kind of ponder on for a bit. Yeah, I you know, it's so funny because the last song that I saw I just released with the music video, I was working on that song for so long that I got to a point where I was like, is this even any good anymore? And I, I was such a perfectionist about it. And if I can, you know, it's crazy that

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want to release it like that just like a thought popped in my head so i think the advice i want to give is just don't let your perfectionism like not allow you to release something i mean because then you're you're literally never going to release anything just because nothing's ever going to be perfect but we grow with each song that we make so i think we need to give ourselves you know a break and and some

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grace and really just be proud of what we make. That is phenomenal advice. You know what? As many times as I've said that and kind of embrace that, I still need to hear it. So I'm sure the listeners appreciate it, but yeah, I needed that as well. So thank you. Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, so right before we go, you know, if you have any shout outs or anybody that you kind of want to acknowledge, or even if it's just people in general, you can do that at this time. Well, let's see who. I mean, I just want to shout out just all of my followers, the community that I've built on all the different platforms, YouTube, you know, Instagram, TikTok, you guys. I mean, a lot of them are

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musicians, a lot of them aren't. So I just I love you guys and I want to shout out my friend Tina who's really been helping me lately with you know the content creation, the music video, shout out to my parents who are my number one inspiration. I mean it's the list can go on but thank you everybody so much for listening. I really appreciate it.

58:58
That's great. Well, yeah, I want to thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to talk with me. And I hope that this is just the first of many and I get to have you back on the podcast again sometime soon. I would absolutely love that. Thank you so much.

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Thank you. All right, that's a wrap for this episode of Instrumental Intel. I'd like to thank you for tuning in and listening. I'd like to thank my guest, Megan, for coming through and sharing her story and wisdom with us. I'd also like to thank my home station, Grander Radio, out of Grand Rapids, Michigan. And I'm already excited to come back next week. Of course, I got more goodness lined up for you. And before that, please make sure that you check out Indie Rhythm and Rise. The second episode will premiere next Thursday at 7 p.m. on YouTube. That is hosted by DeepSpawn Logic

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by DJ Milk D and myself for the Instrumental Intel in 30 segment where I give a brief synopsis of what's been going on and some tips for independent artists. So make sure that you check that out too. Subscribe, follow, all that good stuff. So till next time, you know where to find me. Tune in to the friend. I'll see you then.