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Instrumental Intel Podcast

Achickwitbeatz brings you information instrumental to your artistic career including music industry news, insights, interviews, and beats for your inspiration. Listen on Saturdays at 7 pm ET on ⁠⁠⁠Grander Radio,⁠⁠⁠ Achickwitbeatz.com⁠⁠⁠, and your favorite podcast platform.

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Hey, thank you for tuning in to Instrumental Intel. I am your host, music producer, Achickwitbeatz, and I'm glad that you're here. Today's episode has instrumentals by me for your inspiration, music industry news, and later, my special guest, King Samson's gonna come and join me, and we're gonna talk a little bit about bringing fresh spins to classic and underground tracks. So it's going to be a great time. And as always, before I go ahead and drop that first beat, I gotta give a shout out to my home station.

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Grander Radio out of Grand Rapids, Michigan. And with that, let's go!

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Hey, this is music producer Achickwitbeatz, and you're listening to my podcast, Instrumental Intel.

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Alright, and I'm back with the music biz brief. First up, Hybe America has inked a new distribution deal with Jermaine Dupri's So So Def recordings, giving the legendary Atlanta label access to Hybe's global reach and marketing muscle. It also reunites Dupree with Hybe America CEO Scooter Braun, who got his start at So So Def. The partnership aims to launch new artists and legacy releases, blending So So Def's historic influence with Hybe's modern infrastructure. This increases Hybe's growing US presence,

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after the acquisitions of Quality Control and Big Machine, and indicates more so-so-deaf music is on the way. Next, UK lawmakers are considering a proposal to let AI companies train on copyrighted content without permission unless creators opt out. The proposal is now the government's preferred option, but it's facing major backlash from artists and rights holders, while AI developers like Google and OpenAI argue that the plan is still too restrictive and they want full exemption from copyright rules.

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Major companies, including Universal, Sony, and Warner, argue that creators must be protected and fairly compensated. No final decision has been made just yet. Also, Music Ally and Trolley are hosting a free webinar to explore how fraud erodes streaming royalties and potential solutions. It's estimated that up to 10% of streams are fake and even up to 30% on some platforms. This session introduces the music industry's answer to “Know Your Customer” with “Know Your Artist".

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Experts from TuneCore, BeatDapp, and Trolley will break down emerging fraud detection tools, real-world examples, and practical strategies to help ensure the right people get paid. Independent artists may want to join this one if streaming royalties matter to your bottom line. So, visit MusicAlly.com to register. Next up, the TICKET Act, which mandates all-in ticket pricing and banned speculative ticketing, has passed through key committees in both the House and Senate and is now set for a full vote.

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The bill requires ticket sellers to disclose the total cost up front, including all fees, and establishes a legal category for ticket procurement services. It also targets misleading resale sites and aims to strengthen the enforcement against ticket bots. Supported by Live Nation, the legislation seeks to improve transparency and protect consumers in the ticketing industry. Also in news, Instagram is testing two new features that could benefit independent artists: unlockable reels and monthly summaries.

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Unlockable reels allow users to access exclusive content by entering a secret code, which could be used by artists for creative fan engagement, like offering codes through music, merch, or ticket purchases. The monthly summaries feature provides users with a recap of their Instagram activity, including views from non-followers and insights to help grow their audience. Both features are still in testing, but they hold potential for artists looking to connect with fans in new ways. Next!

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Groover, the music promotion platform, is rolling out several new features after securing $8 million in funding last February. The updates include a trending tracks chart, integration with SoundCloud for easier submissions, and a new DJ-focused category. The platform also introduces enhanced profiles for curators, multilingual support, and social media sharing tools for artists. The CEO stated that the rebranding reflects Groover's growth and innovation, marking a new era for the company.

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And finally, Epidemic Sound saw a 29 % revenue growth in 2024, driven largely by social media creators using its music. The company's tracks are now heard more than 3 billion times daily on YouTube and TikTok, up from 2.5 billion in 2023. Epidemic's music also generates over 1.6 billion monthly plays on streaming services. Despite this growth, the company reported a loss of $30.6 million for the year.

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A potential challenge for Epidemic is the rise of AI music tools, such as YouTube's new generic custom instrumentals feature. The company remains focused on supporting human artists and ensuring fair revenue for them in any AI developments. Alright, that's a wrap for the music biz brief. I'm gonna take a quick pause for the cause, and then I'll be back with my special guest, King Samson, right after this. Keep it locked!

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Hey, I'm Achickwitbeatz, multi-genre music producer and strategist to indie artists and labels. Visit achickwitbeatz.com for resources for artists and instrumentals in various genres available for songs, vlogs, blogs, podcasts, themes, TV, film, commercials, and more. Once again, that's achickwitbeatz.com. That's A-C-H-I-C-K-W-I-T-B-E-A-T-Z.com. Let's make something happen.

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Hey, thank you so much for tuning in to instrumental Intel. I'm your host, music producer, Achickwitbeatz. And I'm happy to say that I have in the virtual building with me today, King Samson. If you're familiar or been following the show, you probably caught when he was on talking about the Hip Hop shop on Yurrrp Radio with DJ Milk D. But this time, since we have King Samson in the building, to kind of dig a little bit deeper into his personal journey with music.

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Excuse me, I'd like to say thank you for taking time out of your schedule to come and chat. No doubt. Thank you for having me on. Yeah, absolutely. Let the people know a little bit about who you are and how you got involved with music. Music? As always, like everyone else, I'm a music lover. I've always been into music since I was a kid. It started, I could say, my uncle that lived with my parents.

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He always had his radio on, and he was always playing music. For us–my parents are from Grenada, a small island in the West Indies–so Calypso was playing all the time in my house. My dad loved music too. He's a church man. So he liked to listen to a lot of Western, like country music. Gospel and the oldies.

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Sam Cooke and all those kind of things. So that's what I was raised on. My mom always had the old-school music going on in the background when she was in the house. So it was always music going on in my house. So finally, when I got older, you know, that's what I latched onto music. And when I found my music, which was Hip Hop, I was like, my sisters, my older sisters, they used to listen to the funk music and you know, I like dancing and stuff like that.

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Then it got to the point where I was like, R&B is not my thing. The love thing wasn't it wasn't me. So I latched on to Hip Hop when I heard it, and I–ever since then–I've been trying to…okay, who's that? How can I get this song and you know making mixed tapes and stuff like that and finally when I got to high school I was hanging around a lot of DJs

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but I never got into DJing. So that was the biggest thing I've always wanted to, but I didn't think I could do it. Finally, one of my, got to my friends when I got older, obviously. They said you could do this, you know? And they said, I said, I don't think I could do it. And then my friend just got sick of me. He said, give me this X amount of money. I said, okay. And he got me a computer. He got me a little setup.

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and he gave me music and he says, practice. And that's how it really started. And then I built up, got better, bought more equipment, and then got more friends that were DJs that helped me. And that's the beginning of it. And then I did a show with my other friend. We had a chemistry lab. We had a show on Twitch.

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We started just before COVID came out. And then we honed in with COVID, and we kept on doing it and stuff. That was our escape, and people were enjoying it because I was playing music, we're talking, we're laughing and carrying on. And that's how I build up. And then finally, I got to the point with Milk D, I heard he had a radio station, and I was like...

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So he finally, he kind of finally said, okay, let's do something. And I says, okay, you got to our Hip Hop. And I was like, yes. And then I remembered it's a radio station. I'm like, I'm gonna have to talk. I really don't want to talk that much. So I proposed to him, let's do it together.

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And that's the beginning and the start of the Hip Hop Shop. And we've been doing it ever since. Yeah, that's what's up. You know, I've been sharing that I'm a fan of one of the few podcasts that I tune into consistently. Thank you. That. I love it. You guys have great guests, great questions. And I'm not talking about myself. I mean, the other people don't want to sound conceited or nothing. But yeah, in the mixes, man.

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So that's one of the things that I kind of wanted to dig into a little bit, like how you get in that process. Yeah. Well, the first thing I do when I start my mixes with the show is, what are we talking about? So I have to listen to the show again, listen to the guy, listen to whoever I'm talking to for an interview. So if they say they like, we ask a lot of questions of their music taste and their likes an

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try to promote them talking about the songs or the first time, what was the first song of Hip Hop you fell in love with? So then, when they tell you the song, then I try to piece the music to play. Sometimes it doesn't work out, sometimes it works out. So like,

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with when you were on, you told us you like MF DOOM. So I was, like scrambling. I was like, okay, let me, I know this is the song we talked about. I said, I have to make sure I have that. And then I kind of got songs in that drum room. And I tried to throw it together and make a mix. And that's how I do it. That's how I normally do it. That's a dope process. How different would you say that is from when you first started doing mix tapes, like before you even started DJing? Wow.

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Mix tape, you know, the funny thing was when I started making mix tapes is like I was taping things right off the radio. basically it was just stuff off the radio and I got what I got. So you can hear it. Sometimes you can hear the person actually talking because I didn't clip it fast enough. So, you know, it was horrible. Now it's more cleaner.

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But I mean, like for your selection process, you know, when you sat down and listened to the radio where you like, oh, I'm hoping to hear these five songs, or did you just kind of go with the flow? Oh, I used to go with the flow. What I have, go with the flow kind of thing. more, I plan out my mixes more now, especially because it's the show I want, because I want everything to go together. So.

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I can't have someone talking about, my favorite group is like Lords of the Underground. And then the music is nothing near that. I'm playing like some abstract Hip Hop and people are like, this is not working out. Like, he's this guy's all over the place. I try to bring it back. So, you know, everyone has different tastes, right? So it could take us to a different type of Hip Hop. you know, yes, people are to like the same thing.

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Um, my friend, asked, what is your absolute favorite Hip Hop song? And he goes, I want to go with what I said. And I was like, yeah. So he says, I'm going to pick something else. So his was, uh, he picked, um, he was just starting. Was it, Oh, was the other one. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He picked out this on public enemy. You pick slick Rick. Then, I had recently, I had Kara Swan. So there's.

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We're just jumping all over the place. So now I could take the different songs and put it together. Similar songs and similar artists, I can put those songs together and hopefully we can have a little quick, nice mix. Yeah. I mean, I love the way everything just blends together. like, okay, I see why that's next. And you know, kind of hyped that home. yeah. I'm hoping to get people like, not just to stand there, hopefully they get up and then do a little boogie in their house, you know? actually, yeah.

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Nine times out of 10, I'm making dinner while I'm listening. So yeah, I might be at the skillet, you know, just kind of like, hey. I don't want your head to bob. I've always been an upbeat kind of person. As I said, I like to dance. I used to like to dance. Sorry, I should say that. So I used, it's all about moving and getting into the groove. So that's my thing. So now that I got older, I really appraised mid-

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tempo songs that you could just groove to. if I could, that's the type of music I play all the time. Because you could just bop your head. At the same time, you could talk to someone and you could just feel the groove and the vibe. Yeah. Yeah, I even feel like there was a portion of the time where stuff kind of fell right in the middle of that.

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So I mean, it might be kind of chill, but it still kind of upbeat to where you could grab your Yeah, you have a little kick to it, you know? Yeah, I feel like we don't really I feel 90s R &B really encompass that. Yes. For some reason, I'm just like, yo. And you can sneak in a little Hip Hop in there too. But know, most of time, it's 90s R &B. Yep. I love it. You know, what I was thinking about recently was...

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Mona Lisa, the time she had that song over the beat for MC's Act Like They Don't Know. I'm like, man, this was such a magnificent break. Yo, love it. Love it. That's the stuff I'm on. I remember that is the type of music when we first used to go to clubs. That is what you heard when you first got into club. That kind of feel before the headline of DJ. And I used to love it. We used to come in like 20 men deep.

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and get our drinks and we'd get on the dance floor and used to buggy. We used to get it out. You know, it attracted girls, of course. So we used to have a good time partying. That's, I find that's the type of music I love to listen to now. Yeah. I mean, I've said it before, I'll say it again. Most of the time it's like eighties, nineties in my car. I mean, I might switch it up every now and then, but.

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You know, I'm of that age to where I just like what I like that. Like I don't even try to hide it or yeah, but I don't like honestly, I don't know. I don't have.

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Any new music at this point of time? No. Do I have to go get? Yeah. But I'm selective. There's certain stuff I'm just, I stay away from. I don't have it. I won't deal with it because I'm like, why am I? As I said, I don't really consider myself a DJ because I don't play up. I'm not that guy. I'm not playing out. I'm not...

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I'm not in the mix. do this, this is my love. So I'm giving you my love. if I don't love it, I'm not giving it up. Now, can I play a song I don't like? Yes. But I try to stay away from that a lot. Yeah, I feel you. There's a lot of times with production, people automatically think like, oh yeah, you can do that. You can DJ. And I'm like, there's no way.

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then I'm not just going to play everything I want to hear. That audience is going to be mad at me. So I understand. I have my limitations in that. Definitely. I feel you. It's different from... There's some songs that I can tell, like, all right, maybe this isn't for me. I'm not the demographic. Doesn't mean it's bad. It's just not for me. That I'd be okay with doing. But like you said, some stuff where I don't see any merit in this at all.

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I just like, there's a certain like, return of the Mac. I remember a lot, everyone's like going, I can't stand the song. Now I can play it. But that's not a go-to for me. So if someone comes to me and says, yeah, yeah, play that song. I'm like looking at them like.

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That's not happening. make me do it. Don't make me. Like if enough people are asking, OK, I'll play it. But I'm not trying to play that song. You'll see the mix and you say, how come I didn't hear this? No, I'm not doing it. You know, that's funny. I was one of the people that did like it. But I recently, I don't know, maybe sometime after the pandemic, I had posed a question like, OK, what's a popular song that would have you in a position where everybody's like, what? And then.

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one of my friends had responded with that one. I was like, oh my gosh, it must be torture for you. Like it's still everywhere. You can't go anywhere without hearing it. So. It seems like that is a song that is a go-to song for certain DJs. Yeah. And they always play it. some like, if you, if you pay attention to me, if I'm in a club, like I'll, if I'm dancing and that song comes on, I stop immediately. And I'm just like, why? Why? Really? What are you doing?

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Yeah, let me like, my vibe, man. Let me go get a drink. Like even commercials and everything. But yeah, it's like, I never even thought about that. Like, yeah. So my heart goes out to those of you who feel that way. Cause I know that's gotta be like, oh, I'm sure everyone has a song that is popular and they hate and they're just like, dare you? Yeah. I got quite a few that people would probably pull my card for if I said.

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But yeah, I still don't think I hear those as often as everybody else got to listen to Return of the Mac. yeah, that's one of those. Yeah. But you know, like you said, there's always pop songs that they just do it to death. Like you might even like it when it starts, but then by the time you even heard it so many times, it's like, oh my God. Yeah, they do kill songs. They play it to the point where it's like you don't want to even want to hear it. I remember

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Younger, what was that song called? It was a reggae song that was a, life, life is what you make it. So darling, my dear. Oh yeah, yeah. Ragamuffin on, give me the ragamuffin. Oh my goodness, I love that song. Yo, they played that, drop out of that. Yeah. It got to the point where I don't want to hear that. Like I remember this is when I used to go to a lot of reggae parties and

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We used to, we played it, it was hot, it was nice. And then the public got to it. Oh my gosh. I was like, I'll go to, we go to a party and someone try to play it. And we're like looking at them like, what are you doing? But it's a good song. It's a nice feel, good feel song, but they just overdid it. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, I'll say like since social media and like trending audio and stuff started, sometimes I might like something the first few times I hear it.

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And to keep from not liking it, because I know I probably got to swipe past 50 more reels that are going to have it. Like I'm not going to add it to my playlist. I'm like, by the time I get done browsing social media, I'm going to hate this. So I'm like, can't have it both ways. So it's kind of like a gift and a curse, if you will, for stuff going viral that way. Yeah. Well, the great thing now is because I don't, I don't listen to radio anymore. it's funny. I listen to my own mixes.

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Cause I'm like critiquing myself all the time. I'm like, Oh, Oh, it's horrible. What was I thinking? I'm like, Oh, you gotta tighten it up, tighten it up. So I listened to a lot of my own mixes and friend, my friends mixes and it's like trying to see what they're doing. I'm like, Oh man, that was nice. gotta tighten up. Gotta get better. And you gotta practice, you know, that kind of thing. So I don't have, um, the overplay of a song now, unless I do it. Okay.

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So if I overplay something, it's my fault. In fact, if you listen to like some of my earlier mixes, there's certain songs that always have my mixes and I go, say, oh, I played that again. It's the songs that I love. So I'm going to play it. That makes sense. Yeah, for a while, most of the time when I was in the car, I'd just be listening to my own beats. And I'm like, oh my goodness, this is kind of like.

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my generation's version of listening to jazz music in the car. So yeah, I tried to switch it up, you know, play a little bit of old school, like for some different kind of inspiration. But no, it's, it's hard because like you said, I mean, I don't like listening to the radio anymore. just, it's ridiculous at this point in time. I'll listen to a podcast before.

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I listen to the radio and then I have a couple podcasts that do have music they talk about music or they play music. that's I like the

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I'm from Toronto, so I like the more of a college vibe radio station if I want to listen to it. So they're going to play the underground stuff. They're going to play the stuff that you want to hear, but you don't know you want to hear it kind of thing. So I like that aspect.

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if I want to listen to it. So I would listen to more of a podcast because they're not restricted. They don't have to play this certain type of music. They just take from wherever and they play and that's what I love. Yeah. I mean, that is a beautiful thing. So I feel like to me, college radio kind of mirrored some of the diversity we had like during the time frame Hip Hop was getting popular. So, I mean, you had so many different types of styles. Like you weren't bombarded with the same thing over and over again.

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That's what I love. I love that about it. And again, so when I do play, I try to do the same thing myself. When I try to play, I say, like, I don't want to be playing the commercial. Okay, this is what I think what people want to hear. No, I want to play something that you haven't heard or maybe a cut that you haven't heard. And if I do play something that you do know, I want to try to do something different to it. Yeah.

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I noticed that other shout. you know what? As I said, I don't call myself a DJ, but you know, I'm trying to step up my game. Yeah, I can't play, you know, if you like, if I play a slick Rick song, everyone knows that. I'm going to try to bump it up and try to do a little remix on it and stuff. Yeah. Well, you do that very well because, yeah, it puts like a fresh spin on it and something that you're not going to hear someplace else. Yeah. I want you I want you to look out for

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Our next episode is my friend Colin Big C. And you need to hear the first mix because I know you would not heard, unless you're up on your Canadian Hip Hop, I play a full set of just Canadian cats from back in the day. So you're hear a Choc Claire, you're gonna hear Danny O, I have YLK, I have IRS, I have...

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was Tyra Chase. These are all Canadian Hip Hop artists in our, when I was younger, at my time in the nineties. And I said, you know what, I'm gonna just do a set of Canadians. So I want you to listen to that. I there's a lot of Americans listening. So they're getting bombarded by us because I talk about my experience in Hip Hop from Toronto's view. It's totally different.

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I find, I had one of my friends on, he's a reggae head. He's from a reggae sound and he was playing his version of his type of Hip Hop he listens to. So it was more of a London kind of vibe with reggae and stuff like that. And some people complained. They said, oh, that's not Hip Hop. And I was like, but it was though, like I hadn't heard it before. And I'm like, okay, all right, I see. Like honestly,

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I'll say some of it was not my vibe. But I was like, you know, that's his expression. So I let him do his thing. And he was bringing some, it was Hip Hop. But a lot of people, you got to do your history. Yeah. If you do your history, you'll understand, you know, Hip Hop came from reggae. Yeah. Simple. I'm not the godfather of Hip Hop. He was Jamaican. Yeah. He was imitating what he knew.

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His parents did and if you know anything about reggae, ska, they toast. It was called toasting. That's where the MCs on the mic toasting the song, telling you what's coming in and they entertained you. We call it MCs now in Hip Hop. Right, right. That's the history. You can't erase it. So when I bring my views to Hip Hop from a Toronto...

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we're closer to our West Indian roots than anything else. So that's why you're gonna hear like, if you notice, anytime bring a Canadian cat in, they're always talking about reggae. Yeah, yeah, I did notice that. We talk about reggae, and I'm like, damn, this is a Hip Hop shop, we're talking a lot of reggae. Because they're talking about sounds and, the last one yesterday, Brenton B, he's a friend of mine.

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But he was talking reggae too. Because how he started out, was in a reggae group. He was a song man and stuff and he blended into his Hip Hop career and he took off. And if you know anything about Toronto, we're diverse. It's crazy diverse. So anything you, any culture you could find in the world, you'll find it in Toronto. Straight up. So.

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As much as we're talking Hip Hop and everything, I wish I could show it, but the Filipinos, you can't mess with them. They got this Hip Hop thing down pat. Right now, if you look into Punjabi, listen to their music. They're doing their own thing.

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you could hear the influence of Hip Hop of being in North America and they bring it to their world and they're doing it. There's some good Hip Hop guys. Some guys do straight Hip Hop, some guys mix it with their culture, but I was listening to this on one cat and I can't understand what he was saying, but the beats were hard. I was like, yo, I'll that. I'll rap that, but I don't know what they're saying. I don't want to play anything. If I don't understand what they're saying, I don't want to play it.

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I don't know what they're saying. If I could get the understanding of what they're saying, then okay, then I'll move on from there. that's my ignorance. Well, yeah, you know, but yeah, so when it when I'm saying is basically our culture here in Toronto is a little bit different than from the states. Now, I think New York would understand a little bit of ours because the West Indies are heavy in New York.

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But when you go elsewhere outside, the influence is a bit more different. So it is what it is. I've always felt like, well, right around the time I started discovering Hip Hop all over the world, it felt like other places stayed truer to the roots than we actually do here in the States. And I don't mean that like all over, but as far as mainstream goes, let me put it that way. So, I mean, it's like a different kind of

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sound like you said some people put their own influence on or whatever but like structurally it's almost like textbook you know how it started well you know what the purists will tell you you have to do this you have to do that and you know like yeah but uh subjective everyone has their feel and views and stuff like that um when someone tells you oh i love Hip Hop i kind of sit there like okay what

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What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? Because right now they call Hip Hop people singing. Yeah, that has been baffling me. I shouldn't even say singing. People are auto-tuning their voices and whatnot and doing whatever. It's not–well, me–I don't consider it Hip Hop. I'm saying that's R&B, Right? He can't–he's not hitting the notes properly, but he's trying to sing. He's not rapping, but you know.

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these kids right now are saying that's Hip Hop. So who am I to say it's not? So. Yeah, you're right. But no, I've had some of the same thoughts like, you know, what planet is that? Yeah, like you ain't even rapping like, but yeah. Well, you know what? It goes to with black music, right? They always want to categorize us and put us in pigeonholes and whatnot. And that's been going on from since

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If you do the history, it's been going on from the thirties, forties, fifties, sixties. They've been doing it from day one. They can't listen. If someone is singing, they're, if a black person is singing, they automatically say R and B and the guy's a punk rocker. Right. Very true. Oh, but you need to be over here. No, but I don't do that. I do this. Like you.

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you see it all the time, that's what they do it. So they, you know, they call it urban music, right? Yeah. So yeah, even from the country. It always happens. So they always do that with music and with black music in fact. So who am I to say this is not what this is and whatnot. I'm not that invested in it to fight with everyone and say, oh, that's not Hip Hop. But

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What I do know is good music is good music. That's what's up, yeah. If it's good, it will last. Yes. People don't realize, like, look at Methan Red.

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They still rock that music to the younger people know that music because they younger DJs are still playing it because it still rocks a party. Yeah. That's good music is good music. Yeah. If it's not good music, it's not gonna last. That's all it is. For real. And I'm not even saying that this is a goal for anybody or a goal that they should set. But even when you're looking at all these companies that buy catalogs.

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They're not buying most of this newer stuff. Most of it's what they're considering evergreen. Like you can still play it. People still recognize it. Well, they still, well, the new music, they still have time to figure it out if it's good or not. That's true. Honestly, because think about it.

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Now let's go back to when we were listening to music for the first times. Obviously we loved our music and everything like that, but there's certain songs that came out. Now it still plays. If someone plays it, oh, that's my song, right? But. I mean, to be fair, some of those we knew ahead of time. Like when it hit, we knew like.

56:34
Yeah. Sometimes you thought you knew the song before the song came out. The song came out just yesterday and he's like, this feels like I know this song already. Right? Because they sampled this or they did some big stupid elements of different songs and try to trick you. You knew it was good. Yeah. And we still, when you hear it, you love it. Some have to grow on you and some are just horrible and we don't play it. So true.

57:03
Yep. Well, man, I'm so sad that this went by so quickly again. That's why we got to do this more often, I guess, because I love your perspective, especially being from Toronto. I don't have a whole lot of connections there. So it's kind of fun to hear these stories. can't wait to check out that episode. My boy, my boy, Colin, he's special to me because he was my DJ friend in high school.

57:32
So he kind of taught me a lot about DJing. So I became a snob. You hear it in an interview. We go out and the DJ did hit right. They all hear us, kakak. And I'm dancing, I'm having a good time. He says, you didn't hear that? Like, what's wrong with you? But he taught me a lot. it's a big interview. It's a big interview for me with him. And we try to do the Canadian thing. I try to do the Canadian set.

58:02
Cause I haven't played any Canadian music. So I said, okay, it's time. Yeah. Well, I can't wait to check it out. I'm excited to listen and be put up on game. Hopefully, we can do it again. Maybe, you know what I have to ask is I need to get some of your productions so I can start playing underneath and doing some funky stuff with it, man. If you bless me with your stuff. Oh, all right.

58:29
We have to do some stuff. We have to do some stuff. A little remix going on. Already know some stuff I can send you. So I'll make sure that I do that. Definitely. I'm always open. I'm ready to do some stuff. All right. Let's work. Well, thank you again. I want to make sure that everybody knows where they can find you, follow you, check out what you got going on. Well, Instagram @KingSamsonOfficial. That's the best way.

58:57
Linking with me at the Hip Hop shop every Tuesday at 7 p.m. and that's at Yurrrp radio. So that's yurrrpradio.com, and we do it out every Tuesday. So just come through, drop a line, and enjoy yourself. Yes. All right. Well, thank you so much. Already looking forward to next time. All right. Blessings and peace.

59:26
Take care.

59:54
Till next time, you know where to find me. Tune in, tell a friend, and I'll see you then. Peace.