Instrumental Intel - Ep 104 Community, Culture & the Craft: Reclaiming Hip Hop’s Roots with Tigmatic (4-25-26)

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Hey, thank you so much for tuning in to Instrumental Intel. I am your host, music producer Achickwitbeatz, and I'm glad that you're here with me. Today's episode has music industry news,  beats by me for your inspiration, and later I'll be joined by my special guest Tigmatic, who's coming through to drop some gems. So I'm excited to be bringing this episode to you.  And before I go ahead and drop that first beat, I gotta give a shout out to my home station,  Grander Radio out of Grand Rapids, Michigan. And with that, let's go.

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Alright, I'm music producer Achickwitbeatz back with the music biz brief. First up, AI-generated music now makes up 44% of daily uploads on Deezer, equating to roughly 75,000 tracks per day. It only accounts for 1-3% of streams, with about 85% of those plays flagged as fraudulent and demonetized. In response, Deezer is limiting distribution and detection

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while Spotify and Apple Music are leaning on AI disclosure and metadata transparency. Sam Altman's World Project is entering concert ticketing with a Concert Kit tool that requires fans to verify themselves using biometrics, like iris scans or selfies, to access bot-free ticket allocations. Early tests include shows tied to Anderson .Paak and Thirty Seconds to Mars, highlighting concerns of a new trade-off between fair access and fan data privacy.

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Amazon Music has partnered with Bandsintown to embed live concert listings directly into artist profiles, letting fans view tour dates, venues,  and ticket links inside the app with ticket purchases routed through Bandsintown. The integration, already rolling out across iOS and Android,  also extends to festivals, venues, and promoters,  following a similar move by Apple Music as streaming platforms turn artist pages into live event discovery hubs.  And finally...

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Universal Music Group is building a growing AI patent portfolio focused on controlling how AI-generated derivatives of music are created, approved, and monetized.  It includes systems that require rights holder approval, apply digital watermarks,  and restrict distribution to specific platforms, aligning with its walled garden approach. The framework also outlines automated royalty splits and expansion into AI-generated merch,

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as the industry debates how to balance fan creativity with artist control and revenue protection. Alright, that's a wrap for the music biz brief. I'm gonna take a quick pause for the cause, and then I'll be back with my special guest, Tigmatic, right after this. Keep it locked.

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Hey, I'm Achickwitbeatz, multi-genre music producer and strategist to indie artists and labels.  Visit a chickwithbeats.com for resources for artists and instrumentals in various genres available for songs,  vlogs,  blogs, podcasts, themes, TV, film,  commercials, and more.  Once again, that's a chickwithbeats.com.  That's A-C-H-I-C-K-W-I-T-B-E-A-T-Z.com. Let's make something happen.

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Thank you so much for tuning into instrumental Intel. I'm your host, music producer, Achickwitbeatz. And I'm thrilled to say that I have back in the virtual building with me, Tigmatic. If you could please let anybody who may have missed you the first time on the show know a little bit about who you are, where you're from, and all the mini hats that you wear. Hey, what's going on, y'all? First of all, Achickwitbeatz, thanks for having me back again. I appreciate this time and interview.

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And for those that didn't see me on the show before, hear me on the show before, my name is Tigmatic, Rashawn Tigmatic Whitaker.  I am a artist, an actor, a producer,  and an activist. I am head organizer for Black Lives Matter Grassroots North Carolina, and I reside in North Carolina,  but I am from Philadelphia, PA. Oh, right. Lots of places with rich history and whatnot.

27:41

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So, as mentioned, you wear a lot of different hats. Could you maybe talk a little bit about which one you feel the most drawn to within this past month or so? Like, where have you been, kind of dedicating most of that time? Okay. Well, it's two. I'll say the two things that I've been doing most is acting and activism.  Um,  I'm right now a part of a show that will be on Roku and Amazon Prime called Chess, Not Checkers.

28:11

I play the main villain in the show,  Boyz II Rivers. I can't let too much out of the bag, but just know that I'm bringing some sauce and some heat to y'all. uh And the show's about, you know, loyalty, respect, you know, and dishonor as well. You know, it's one of those good stories, but with a little twist and a little bit of drama as well.  Activism as well.  I'm gearing up.

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for the Juneteenth Festival here in North Carolina, where I reside.  And also this weekend I'm doing the, I'm emceeing a gospel festival as well. So yeah, know, giving back to the community, caring for the people in the community is another big thing that I've been, you know, really excited, uh, to do, and I'm happy to do because I like to serve the people, you know, I'm saying? So it's definitely always a great thing to, uh

29:10

commute and connect with people. Yeah, absolutely. Especially as an artist giving back, you know, it does happen, but I feel like we don't really hear about that as often as we used to. You know, like how Hip Hop was kind of about the community and, you know, doing some of the things that you're doing and looking after each other. Is that something that you could see, like changing maybe in the future, to where we might see more artists giving back? Yeah, I think, I think it's, there's a shift

29:39

coming, you know, when we got artists like myself, we got artists like Dee-1, Myammee, the girl Myammee, the Christian rapper, you know, it's all different types of artists that are starting to feel the shift and not to understand that, you know, the people are what make us in the first place? But not only just that, you know, our communities are in need  of leaders and people to help

30:06

Marginalized communities, and if we don't do it, who else is going to do it? You know what I'm saying? So it's important to really step up and uh want to be a change in your community, especially if you from there and even if you're not from there like myself I'm not from north carolina, but I moved down here and became a pillar of the community, you know i'm also a part of the Juneteenth committee as well and A part of that is is making sure that things are good for the people.

30:34

Yeah, that's definitely important, especially in the current situation that all of us are in. So it's good to have people kind of looking out for each other, if you will. You mentioned MC in the Gospel Festival. You want to tell us a little bit more about that? You know, how you Well, yeah, this is my first time doing that. And that's also going to be in Lumberton, North Carolina, as well.

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Um, I'm basically like the host for the festival will where we’ll uh, you know, have gospel music. You know, talks about what's going on. It's a pre-tune pre. Oh, I'm sorry. It's a pre-Juneteenth event. Okay. Just getting in the spirit of celebrating Juneteenth, you know, and uh, honoring our ancestors, you know what I'm saying, and uh, it's just an honor for me to be the host and

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to have Ms.Freeman and a lot of other great people coming together to celebrate God and also commune with each other. You know what I'm saying? So that's always a good thing too.  Activism goes also with prayer and coming together. So that's a great part of me. Faith without works is definitely dead, and this is the work.

31:57

You know, so we have to do it, you know? Yeah, no doubt. But I do want to take a moment to kind of point out something that you said you were emceeing the festival. And I haven't actually heard anyone say that recently. A lot of times, they talk about hosting. There is a huge difference between hosting and emceeing. So yeah, so it'll be like,

32:27

I don't know. They might ask me to perform something. I'm not sure.  Um, I just don't know just yet, but  I do have a basketball track or two up the sleeve. You know what saying? Either way, I still wanted to give you kudos because that means that you understand the position that you're holding, uh, by doing that. Man, those ceremonies and we have to carry it. Yes, absolutely. So yeah, just in case somebody missed that, I kind of wanted to point out, like, know, there's some nuance there, y'all. He said he was MC-ing it.

32:57

I mean, yeah, that's the true essence, you know, especially in Hip Hop. And, uh, you know, we from the Boom Bap Era, so we know the true titles of everything anyway. You know what I'm saying? And a big part of that is controlling the crowd. And, um, it's more than just performing. It's also being able to talk to people and making them feel comfortable as well.  So which isn't always, oh yeah.

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Um, men, I guess you get a lot of practice doing that since you host multiple podcasts, Yes. Yes. Yeah. I host The Pot Podcast and Stirring the Pot with Tigmatic. The Pot Podcast with Tigmatic and stirring a pot with Tigmatic. I'm sorry. Um, yeah, the show still, I'm actually on my 200th episode this Monday. Wow. Congratulations. Yeah. Thank you.

33:54

Yeah, for sure. Um, I don't think a lot of people understand all the effort that it takes to put that together. And especially, you know, with the way that you run it, kind of, you know, multitasking and doing all these things at one time.  remember just kind of being, watching you when I was a guest. uh Man, I'd be going crazy if I had to do this live, but.

34:18

Yes,  there are a lot of moving parts, but I enjoy it for the most part. can't wait until I get to until I get to the point where I do have help, and I don't have to do it all on my own. But right now, I feel like God has put me in a position to be a one-man band and be able to carry it without,  you know, any hiccups or mess-ups. And for the most part, you know, you've been on my show, you know, I make people feel comfortable, all while still conducting the interview and

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playing videos and running banners on the screen and everything. Yeah, it's a lot, but it's fun at the same time, and I really enjoy it.  I do it on my downtime, and it relaxes me a lot. Okay. Well, yeah, it definitely comes through.  You can tell that you enjoy it. So we switch gears a little bit and go back to the artist side of it.

35:10

When do you decide, like, you know, I really got something here –  like, I can produce, I can rap, I can rhyme. You know, when was that moment for you where you're like, yeah, I got to keep doing this?  As far as the rap side or producer side, which side? Both. OK, all right. So I'll start with the rap inside. I found out my talent for rapping. I was about nine years old, but I started to take it serious.

35:39

I would say about 14, 13, or 14 years old. And, um, I was in a rep group in Philly called Triple Threat. We got close to being signed, but then, you know, things as far as Eagles got in between things, and the group and we dismantled before we could even sign the ink.  Um,  but within that time, you know, I still took music pretty serious and I started to write with this group called Lions, Den Records in Philly.

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And shout out to Nasty Nate, Dublin the Boss, Blaze Pro,  and uh, Bullet D. Gray, you know,  and myself.  I was in the group as well. And we made a lot of classic music that, uh, you know, like our core fan base, they know about it. But for those that never heard it, it was some great music. But that was the point that I really started to take it serious. But I also was kind of like going through things in the streets and stuff like that.

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I was making a lot of bad decisions.  So I kind of was like, Oh, DB, you know, like how old DB had the talent, but they could never find them. Yeah.  Yeah. I kind of became like that, you know, but I didn't stop making music throughout that process while I was going through things.  And, um, when I finally decided to, to, to slow down a bit and, and South Philadelphia,  I had my own studio.

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And that was the moment where, you know, I started making beats. I already was making beats, you know,  with lions then. But I started to really hone in and start making beats, on a  like you and I was just actually talking about it. FL on a DR 770 and,  you know, things like that, and keyboard. And  I just started to really realize like, yo, I can really, really do this. And then started to do some shows throughout the city, and

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It was a great time, but I just didn't, uh, I didn't, couldn't keep myself focused. The producer saw a side. I felt like it was more like a gift that, that came natural because I was one of those kids in school. They used to get in trouble for making beats on the table. I would constantly make patterns and beats on the table, and

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Once they, you know, I got introduced to software where I could do that and then hook the keyboard up and go for it. I was, I was really in tune. So, you know, um, there's something that I stuck with and, uh, the person that taught me his name is Smuck.  Um, he's my old head. He taught me how to beats. He's a monster with the beats as well. And then it was kind of like the student outgrown the master, you know, oh

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You know, was like one of those moments that he was a proud he was proud in that moment. But he realized, like, yo, I really taught you well, and you surpassed me, you know.  That's when I, you know, started to reach in all different types of genres of beats, you know, oh house, trap,  you know, R &B, anything, anything that I could think of, even rock beats. I can make it all.  Yeah. oh

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Yeah, but that was really cool for him to actually tell you that, too. Um, you know, cause it could have just been an unspoken thing, but you know, that says a lot about your relationship and also your skill. He's like, you don't even need me anymore. Right. And you know what is crazy, because once he started to hear how my sound,  uh, started to progress, it was like, he was sitting in the studio with me  and,

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Back then, my studio was in the basement of my in-laws' house, so.

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He came over, and he actually came over to show me how to fix something. But while he was sitting there, you know, I just start playing beats, and he was like, " You did this. I'm like, yeah, that ain't nothing. Listen to this. And I played about 30 beats for him, and he was just blown away, like, yo, you know, and that moment, it was a proud moment for me too, because that actually was one of the guys in the group that I told you about that I almost got signed to.

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And our DJ is the actual reason we didn't even get signed because he dismantled the group, and it was his connection. So, ah, yeah. So, okay.  You had that go on, and then you had, like, when you said you were dealing with some stuff, you know, before you left Philadelphia, I think both of those occasions would have been a reason. I don't even want to say excuse because a valid reason to not

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continue to pursue music, what do you think kept you going through all that?

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Well, I would say the thing that kept me going through all that, you know, because like I said, I was going through things in the streets, and I got shot up. And times I got shot in the head. That was the ultimate time. But before then, I got grazed in the lake. But, um, though for me, they were like warnings to get out the street. But, know, when you're young, you're not really listening to the warnings. You just think you, you can handle it all. You Superman out there. Invincible. Yeah.

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Yeah, you know, but, uh, you know, when I got shot in the head, it was like, I slowed down a whole lot, you know, and that's when I made the transition to move down here to where I am now. But, um, I think that if I would have listened to the warnings, I probably would be somewhere further in my career, but I feel like God made everything happen the way it did and slowed me down so things can progress in my career in the right way, because I wasn't even moving right. So, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

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Um, so yeah, I mean, you know, different people go through a lot of different adversity and,  uh, documentary a while back, I believe it was the title of it was 20 Feet from Stardom. And it keeps talking about like how these people know, they got so close to, know, just breaking through. Then, you know, as soon as you get that close, and then you got to step back, you know, cause one thing happens, or you lose the connect or whatever the case may be.  And so if anybody that's listening now,

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that might be kind of frustrated with, you know, two steps forward, one step back, or whatever the case may be. Like, what kind of advice do you have to offer them? Uh, still just keep trying. I'll say this. If you're, if you're the problem.

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Take a step back and get whatever situations you got going on handled so that way, you can focus. If you aren't the problem, uh, and that still happens.

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It might be something that you're not doing on the business side. Getting there, you know, for some of us, it could be that we don't have our publishing. We don't have ASCAP, BMI, anything. On the other side, it could just be your problem, and they don't want to sign you because you're a problem. So get your life in order so that way life can be easier for you. You know I'm saying? So that's the advice I would give. And also I would say,

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You know, pray to God more and put your faith in him, you know, because you might think that this is for you, and it might not be for you. It might be a whole different lane that you need to go through to get to where you're trying to go.  We think that we're supposed to go through the door the way we're supposed to go, but he has a different vision for us all. And we got to really talk to him to really lock in and know what that is.  That's a gem right there.  Appreciate you sharing that.  All right. So.

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Okay. We've talked a little bit about how you got started, and you found out that you had a talent for rapping when you were nine. Who were some of your early influences around that timeframe? Whether it's famous people or people that you were just around, whichever or both. It was both.  Um, so like I said, my, my old head is smug because he made beats.

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The guy that ended the whole situation, he was our DJ, but I still looked up to him because he also could rap, and he could scratch. know that, you know, for me, that was amazing. Um, as far as celebrity people,  I'm influenced heavy by LL, Busta Rhymes, uh, Jay Z, you know, uh, a little bit of Eminem, you know. uh

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Big Pun, N.O.R.E., you know, not the podcast, N.O.R.E. You know, I know N.O.R.E. was on fire back in the day, know. Scarface, know, 8ball & MJG, you know, I can go on and on. There's so many. Kool G Rap,  know, MOP, Mobb Deep.

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You know, State Property, Beanie Segal, you know, I can go on and on with Cassidy. Definitely a big one. And yeah, that's, that's probably, and Will Smith and Gillie, Gillie and Will Smith too.  They was people I listened to a lot. So, yeah. So you, you mentioned a lot of the heavy hitters from the golden era. What do you think about,  you know, within these last couple of years

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with all these people coming out with more albums? I know, like myself personally, I've just been like a kid in a candy store. I've been enjoying, you know, hearing like the more grown-up versions of these rappers, and you know, feeling like I can relate. Yeah, how do you feel about some of these people kind of revisiting and keeping their careers going after all this time?

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I feel like it's necessary right now. Um, you know, right?  And it's not the same thing about the newer artists because, you know, time has to evolve. Right.  And I understand that. But there's this thing that I feel is missing in the art of rap called substance.  You  know, uh, Hip Hop music right now is over sexualized, is over-glorified with money, and that,

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That was a part of Hip Hop. Yeah, don't get me wrong. That's a part of Hip Hop. But there were other key aspects of the art that are missing, like the things that's going on. We still have newer artists today that speak of those things, like a Kendrick or J. Cole. But,  oh, and a locksmith or, you know, we still got the old the OGs like Styles (P) and (Jada)Kiss. But, yeah.  Oh, you know, that's what's missing. uh

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The metaphors and the bars is not like they used to be, you know, a lot of things are dummy down. So I feel like them coming out now, the older artists coming out now, is definitely needed because then they can show the younger talent how it's really supposed to be done. And hopefully they can take that, learn from it, and make a new sound with it, you know.

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That's what they should aspire to do anyway, because the OGs came before them. So they have to carry the torch in a way where there's a new sound and the essence doesn't die out. You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. uh So, so yeah. Yeah. One of the biggest things that I think is, like you mentioned, you know, yeah, there was talk about, you know, some of that stuff back then,  but

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We got a variety of it that wasn't all that was kind of pushed on us for now. Right. Didn't sound the same either. Exactly. Like half the time, I don't know who it is because they sound like someone else. And honestly, it's been the same thing with some of the singers, too. Like, no distinctive voices or yeah. So yeah, it's unfortunate that, uh, I guess like the labels or whatever kind of

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pigeonhole people into this formula. So it's almost like that's all people get fed, but that's one of the things I miss the most is just the variety that we were exposed to.  know, whether you're watching your MTV Raps or, um, Rap City or whatever the case may be, you got to see different walks of life, hear different stories. Everything wasn't all the same. Yeah, so that's what I'm on a mission to do to bring that feeling back with my podcast.

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especially stirring the pot is going to be it's a countdown show. So I'm going to play videos of artists where none of them sound the same. There's all different types of artists out here, independent.  And you know that that don't sound like the rest of the industry. And that's what we really need right now. We want to keep this thing called Hip Hop fresh and new for people because

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It'll fizzle out real quick, which is why there hasn't been a number one rap song until TI came out with Let Him Know.  Yeah. Oh, and I honestly have mixed feelings about that. I'd like to know your thoughts on it, but oh, I guess it's great that rap music started getting the popularity to where it was kind of dominating charts or whatever the case may be. But

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At the same time, I feel like it's kind of good that that's not happening because that means more people are actually being true to what they want to do instead of trying to fit the formula. I don't know. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Yeah, I agree with that.  I would agree with that because now it means that you can't try to follow behind someone else's footsteps. You really have to be original in order to get yourself into that top spot. TI got into that top spot by being himself.

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and doing what he usually does. Now he didn't he hasn't had a number one in years. You know what I'm saying?  But the great thing about that is he kept to his original format. He did not try to conform to today's time and stuff with what he knows best. Yeah. And it was a great thing because his originality is what made it go to number one. And of course, you know, the whole situation behind it with him and Fif. But, um,

50:18

You know, that definitely boosted, but in the same sense, it was to let people know, like, yo, I know this how we do in Atlanta, and this is what it is. So we got something to say, and that's how it really should be when it comes to Hip Hop. When the artists come out, they should have something to say, whether it be rep in their city and letting people know, like, hey, we ain't sweet out here. This is what we got to do.

50:43

Look, I'm this artist. won't change. I won't capitulate to what y'all say we should do. We I'm going to do it my way. You know, that's what's really missing right now. Yeah, absolutely. I actually kind of feel what you just described. I felt like the Eclipse album did that as well. So like it sounded fresh, but it was still what we knew them for. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's a beautiful thing when that happens. And as far as I know, I believe when I just checked

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Yesterday, I think the TI song is still one of the top trending audios, like it was number one weeks It just went down to number two. So yeah, I'm like my goodness, you know, it's just it's Back that yeah, that's the good thing though. No, we needed that hiatus because you know, to be honest, Kendrick has smacked people over the head so hard with some real conscious music

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that, you know, now that he took a seat back, somebody had to fill that void. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Now,  you know, like I know, the next thing for T.I. is to have that follow-up song, you know, and then it made Ludacris come out, come out back out the woodwork. So, you know, it's an exciting time right now. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very exciting time right now. So I just can't wait to see what's going to happen in the next few months.

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Yeah, same. It's like, you know, Hip Hop had a hard reset, and I'm here for it. And even like how you mentioned, you know, repping the cities. So I understand with the internet being what it is, and everybody having all this access to stuff. Yeah, some stuff is going to kind of blend, but I really do miss having the regional sounds,  you know, depending on the area that you're in. So me coming up like in the nineties, I'm born and raised in Michigan.

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We didn't care where the music was from, if it was hot. So it wasn't like, no, oh, I only listen to East Coast. I only listen to down south. I only listen to West Coast. We loved it all. If it was hot, it was hot. And again, it still goes back to the variety. So yeah, I'm hoping more and more artists are more comfortable with where they're from. Their area can actually still kind of represent that instead of trying to sound like, you know, what's been hot over the last.  Let's keep it real. Sounds like the South.

53:09

Yes. Yeah. 100%. 100%. Like, even some of the New York rappers are in Atlanta right now. Yeah. Everybody. Even New York. Yeah. And I think it's time, well, Griselda is the only one who's held it down with that gritty New York sound. Yeah, they've done a great job with that. Yeah. Oh. You know, and then, you know, we got our OGs, you know, Wu Tang is about to come out with their one last album. Yeah.

53:38

You know, so I'm excited for that too. You know, meth has already been holding it down. Red man's been holding it down. Ghostface holding it down. You know,  uh, you know, I'm holding it down, you know, I got my little song that sound like the South, but I also got some original sounds is about to come out with some visuals as well. So, okay. Yeah. Well, can you tell us when we can be expecting that this summer?

54:06

This summer, I'm going to drop maybe three songs this summer.  I dropped the forever I'm Lit " song.  Now I have the I'm chosen song produced by the same person that was produced by foolish sounds 41 who's made tracks for Love and Hip Hop, Trap, Dickie, Boosie, and many more. But oh, I got some heat coming for y'all this summer, you know.

54:32

You know, my activism is at the forefront, but you know, my sound is about to change because of that. You know, uh, I won't be doing a whole bunch of street music. You know, I'm kind of retiring from that. Plus, I'm getting up there in age a little bit. So my thought process and my content ain't going to be about what I used to do. It's going to be about what I'm doing now. Yeah. And you know,  kudos to you for that. Cause I think that that's how it should be.

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Um, I know some people don't feel that way. They'd be like, oh, well, they don't rap like they used to. But I'm like, well, yeah, you should grow. Yeah, my thought process isn't where it was when I was in my early twenties. Don't get me wrong. I still like to listen to some of that stuff, but you know, sometimes I want something that I can actually relate to or something that I'm comfortable playing, you know, with family around aunties and, you know, in-laws and all that stuff. You know, again, gotta have something for everybody. Yep.

55:29

You know, I might even come out with like a little country step song, you know what saying? So  I'm trying to switch it up a little bit, you know, show my versatility as an artist because I really feel like it's time, because I'm just having fun. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that's the biggest aspect of Hip Hop: to have fun when you do it. Yes. If you're not having fun, you're not really in you're not really feeling the fruits of your labor. You know what I'm saying?

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I appreciate you so much for saying that because, you know,  I've been thinking about that a lot lately too, because there was a lot of fun music back then coming up.  And yeah, it's about time to get that back. think it was, I was out somewhere. I want to say it might've been like at the pharmacy or something that I heard just a friend playing. And I'm like, man, you don't really get stuff like this anymore.  I mean, aside from some of the OGs, like we were saying, having new albums out now, I really love 

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Ghostface Pause skit on his last album. But yeah, it's like we need more, more rappers to have fun as well. So yeah, I really appreciate you for saying that.  And yeah, looking forward to everything you're about to do. Thanks. Thanks. And I'm, you know, already know, I definitely, you know, send you a song or two when I'm done. Okay. You know, I definitely would love, you know, Achickwitbeatz, a Achickwitbeatz collab, you know,

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Hey, we already were supposed to do that. I don't know what happened. You know, I'm putting it in the air, you know, Hey, I'm down. Yeah. Sometimes I just need a reminder because I get a little sidetracked juggling so many things, but yeah, I'm definitely down anytime you need me. Let me know for sure. All right. This time, Lou bye. And I want to make sure that you have time to let everyone know.

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everything that they need to know about you, because like I said, you're doing a lot of things, and so I want you to be able to share whatever it is that you want to with the audience now. Yeah so um

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I'll show the pot podcast on YouTube. Um.

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pot podcast with TIG  M A T I C Tigmatic. And it'll pull up with both my shows, stirring the pot and the pot.  Also, uh, the show chest, not checkers. You'll be seeing that this summer is a Roku series. It's a great show with an amazing cast on Amazon Prime and Roku TVs as well.  And

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Yo, you can catch me at the Juneteenth Festival on the 19th at WH Knuckles. Come out, have fun, bring your family. We got things for kids. We got literature, everything you need, folks. So I hope y'all can come out if you're in North Carolina and you want to just have a little fun on Juneteenth. Spend it with me. I'm out there. I'll be on the mic, and I'll also be, you know, out there with the rest of my uh

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My chapter, Black Lives Matter Grassroots, is Black Lives Matter. And I want to say thank you for having me on Achickwitbeatz. It's awesome that your show is still moving and booming, as I say, you already know.  But uh, your show is definitely dope, and it's one of a kind. So great things you're going to do over the summer and the rest of the year as it goes on.

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Thank you so much. appreciate that. And I appreciate you for taking the time to come out and share. Shout out to Fabian for connecting us. Shout out to Fabe. That's my guy. DDS, we in the building. Going In Radio also. Make sure y'all tap into our station. Going in radio, for sure. Right. And so again, door is always open for you to come back. If I take too long, just be like, hey, chick, it's time for part three. And then, yeah, we'll get it done.

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For sure. Alright, thank you. For sure. Well, thank you for having me. Alright, that's a wrap for this episode of Instrumental Intel. I've been your host, music producer, Achickwitbeatz. And once again, I want to thank you for tuning in.  I'd like to thank my special guest, Tigmatic, for coming through and dropping all those gems.  I'd also like to thank my home station, Grander Radio out of Grand Rapids, Michigan.  Make sure you come back next week. I got more goodness lined up for you. Till next time, you know where to find me. Tune in, tell a friend, and I'll see you then.  Peace.